1st Round - 140 Pound Tourney - Carlos Ortiz vs. Joe Gans

I don't think Gans was that much different stylistically from Benny Leonard's or Barney Ross' epochs. Maybe he used swings a little more often than was typical for 1920-1930's, but not much else imho.

 

Here's footage of Gans

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And Ortiz:

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You make the call.

 

As I said several times before, I'm not of very high opinion about Ortiz, in the first place, considering him slow, non-versatile, very monotonous and not very clever or skillfull, based on half a dozen fights I've seen. If not for resume, I wouldn't consider him great at all.

 

Here's a brilliant idea, why not do what you're gloating you can do? Rather than parading how superior you are, why don't you prove it and share it with us? Because I certainly couldn't list Gans' opponents who were stylistically similar to Ortiz. But to be honest, can newspaper reports really be relied upon in regards to style, particularly given the vast differences in the eras?

 

and i was under the impression you were a respectable poster

 

I also don't consider Jersey Joe Walcott that great of a boxer, where everyone else sees him as special. It all depends on what you are looking for when watching the film. I didn't notice much thinking on the part of Ortiz in the fights I've seen, they were so boring I had trouble sitting through the whole fight and not falling asleep.

 

Again, he doesn't even believe half the stuff he says, he's just trying to stir up a debate.

 

Sorry, but I don't need somebody else to interpret what I believe and what I don't believe. I see nothing special about Ortiz on film, not for the reason of stirring up something, but because I just don't see anything special. Monotonous fighter with no "spark" whatsoever in what I've seen (just counted, I was wrong about half a dozen, I actually have exactly a dozen of his fights).

 

If I may ask, what's so impressive about the footage of Gans? He's amateurish technically by modern standards, which can't be said about Ortiz regardless of whether or not you consider him to be boring. I suppose you think the same of Monzon.

 

Monzon might have looked simple and robotic as well, but he was on a different level than Ortiz as a boxer. He was considerably more clever than Ortiz and was seeking a way how to adjust, rather than stalk-stalk-stalk in hope of landing one good punch the way Ortiz was doing. Ortiz' defense was too simple and Gans would be catching him with right crosses all night long (or rather as long as Ortiz' chin will allow it, which I doubt will last past 10th rounds), and Gans will be blocking those swings by Ortiz without much problem. Ortiz' jab wouldn't be a factor either, instead he'll be tagged by Gans' jabs regularly. Gans fought much stronger and much more powerful men inside than Ortiz too, so it's silly to expect that Ortiz will wear Gans down by banging the body in the clinch, he's too slow on feet to be able to close the distance effectively against Gans.

 

This just proves to me that you're talking out of your ass.

 

Yeah, right, and to talk louder that way I accidentally re-watched several Ortiz fights just before I wrote the above post, to refresh my memories about Ortiz.

 

Stalk-stalk-stalk was all he could do. I believe Tommy Loughran was knowledgable enough to speak with authority (Bizzarro fight), no? Bobby Rogers, Len Matthews, Kenny Lane, Flash Elorde, same tactics without any variety whatsoever.