My Top 5 Since 1980

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Nov 7, 2008.


  1. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez beat Taxi cab drivers and lost to DLH twice. Please.
     
  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Durans performance vs prime Leonard was nothing short of astonishing, probably 1 of the top 5 performances regarding elite fighters in boxing history.... BUT.... here`s the thing....

    1. I cant have him make the list on the strength of 1 fight.

    2. Even tho he had further fabulous wins, he had some terrible losses aswell from 80 onwards.

    When you take on board what Ive typed above, does Duran from 80 onward (without the knowledge of how good he was in the 70s) deserve a top 5 place ?

    I dont think so.

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  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    My list was based on the fighters at their best. I can't make a list with a certain cut-off point like that, it just doesn't make sense when you're considering certain fighters but not their entire body of work up to that point or their skill level/ability within that time period.
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    1. They were pro fighters that got in that ring & Chavez won, end of.

    2. DLH was a lot bigger & Chavez was WAY past it.

    You`ll learn some new stuff as time goes on, just stick with it, dont worry, everyone makes silly mistakes at 1st.

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  5. Teatmandead

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    Your list is pathetic.
     
  6. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bahahaha...yes, and Meldrick Taylor didn't deserve to win that fight after beating Chavez pillar to post! lol. Just how many of his first 50 or 60 fights were fought against scrubs in Mexico, exactly? And people talk about Calzaghe and RJJ having padded records.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    You're being purely ignorant.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Im not having a go here but just out of sheer curiosity.....

    Would you place Robinson at the top or even on a 1960 onward list since he still fought then ?
     
  9. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not at all. He wasn't one of the very best from 1960 on. All of the fighters I mentioned, for however biref a period post 1980, were still among the very best since that deadline.
     
  10. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, tell me, oh wise one, were his first 50-60 fights against Mexican scrubs, fought in Mexico? A resounding, yes. And was he given a gift from the ref against Taylor? Indisputably. Other than Camacho, his wins were against guys with multiple recent losses or guys who had fewer than 25 fights. Later, he was obliterated by DLH and Kosta. Not saying he wasn't a very good fighter, but he's grossly overrated.
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    you look at that list and in truth Mayweather's name sticks out like a sore thumb.
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    He lost to Oscar twice when past his prime, and to Tszyu when completely shot. Do you take into account Ali's losses to Holmes and Berbick? Robinson's losses to guys like Paul Pender?

    He went about 50 fights against lower level opposition to build up his ring experience and stay active, nothing more. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter? It's not as if he went his entire career fighting bums. After a certain point he had one of the best resumes in boxing against very good fighters. If all he did was face bums throughout his career, never proving himself against the elite, you'd have a case. As it is, he did prove himself against world class fighters in dominant fashion on many occasions, so your qualms don't really hold merit. He fought lower level fighters to keep his ring activity up and to stay in shape, not to prove anything. He did that against the elites anyway.

    The Taylor fight was controversial, but you're exaggerrating. First of all, it wasn't nearly as one-sided as you, and most, claim it was. Chavez had won at least 3 rounds and was competitive in all of them, almost always landing the harder, more effective blows, while Taylor's handspeed allowed him to simply outland, and thus out-score, Chavez. At the end of the fight it was obvious to everyone what had gone on in that ring, even if you were blinded by Taylor's flash and the commentator's bias. Chavez beat him up and broke him down, stopping him when it counted. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the stoppage, there's no question Chavez proved himself. You could argue Taylor won the battle early on, but Chavez won the war.
     
  13. PH|LLA

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    what about real deal holyfield?
     
  14. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What, are you Mexican or related to Chavez? The clock would have run out in the Taylor fight, and he Clearly outfought Chavez throughout. As for the 'very good fighters' Chavez fought, other than the ones who beat his ass, who are they? 50 -60 fights against Taxi drivers to 'build up his ring experience'? How can you type that without laughing hysterically. He was a very good fighter, but not a great one.
     
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