The Brown Bomber vs Big George.

Double post.

 

This is a reasonably good analysis of what MIGHT happen. Let's take a look at what resembles a better look at reality, however.

George Foreman weathered the storm of punchers, as well as a pontoon boat would weather the boredome of an afternoon of sitting on a calm lake, with nothing to do but cast a line into the water, prepare an easy lunch, and read the latest addition of Lame ass magazine.

Of the great punchers that he faced, Foreman Ko'd all of them, and most of these guys were pretty well reguarded. Joe Frazier was an all time great puncher, with possibly the best left hook ever, ( a tool that often troubled Louis. ) Foreman absolutely devoured Frazier, the way that a retired salesman might enjoy eating a tuna fish sandwitch.

In George's 81 pro fight career, he was only stopped but once, against what many consider to be the greatest fighter of all time, and largely due to exhaustion, rather than beig bested. What's more, his biggest achiles heel was a man who preffered to box his way to victory, rather than punch out a win. A man of Louis's profile, who was floored by the likes of Galento, Schmeling, Walcott and Baer, Bore no such description.

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After Shavers.

But anyway, if Louis survives the first 3 IMO he would start to take control, but the first 3 rounds would be REAL tough for Louis because of his chin.

 

Reading a couple of these Fantasy match-ups recently has made me wonder if we inadvertently favour 1 punch KO artists more so than skilled accumulation type boxers.

When we do the analysis we imagine each man on his best ever night, and this means we start thinking things like 'imagine if Marciano lands the right that destroyed Walcott and so on...'

I am sure none of us would wish that kind of punch on our personal favorite, no matter how sturdy his whiskers are.

The point I am making is, no matter how beautifully you box, over the course of 15 rounds you are bound to get nailed a few times. You don't want it to be Tysons, Foremans, Listons, or Shavers best punch that hits the sweet spot.

Do you think a tournament setup favours the pure boxers and a one-off best night the punchers?

 

I realise this. I never said he couldn't punch at light-heavy (it would be nice if people paid attention).

 

Well he's hardly going to say "Jim's punches couldn't break an egg but because my chin's **** I went down anyway" is he. :huh

 

He was a fair hitter in the days of the 185 pound heavy. That is all.

 

In terms of power I don't beleive there is.

Some historians regard Max Baer as the hardest punching heavyweight champion ever. You simply don't get a significantly better test of your ability to take a hard shot than that.

 

He didn't really hurt Baer or Farr badly. The other three you mentioned average at around 187 so I think you're way off mark. By the way, virtually every top heavyweight has some knockouts- you could look at Tony Tucker's or even Bugner's CV and say "Wow, he stopped some guys on his way up". Big deal. Ali's record of stopping havyweights is a lot better than Braddock's, a superior level of chin he knocked down also- and he wasn't a particularly big hitter. But he outshines Jim in this dept. No doubts there.


I can only summise that perhaps you dreamt about Braddock being a big punching wrecking machine and can't fathom if it was real or not.

 

Just becuase you fight a huge puncher, doesn't mean you take his best shots. I never thought Ali took Liston's best for example.

 

Yes but that is my exact point. Class wise there is. Earnie Shavers hits as hard as anyone, but when he stepped right up the opposition was too good. Foreman however had many more talents and assets and made his mark at the top, dramatically at times. Lets call Shaver's your Baer.

Bottom line - Foreman is much much more dangerous than the likes of Shavers and Baer.

 

It is interesting to note that he said that Braddock and not Schmeling who had knocked him out was the second hardest puncher he ever faced after Max Baer.

You can spin it however you want. The guys who knocked Louis down Schmeling, Braddock, Galento, Baer, Marciano were all punchers. If you have dozens of fights against ranked contenders instead of a handfull like George Foreman then you are going to get droped and rocked by guys like these.