Do you turn your nose up at boxer who "quit" during fights?

why not ? he quit . was he wrong to is what i'm asking. don't quite know what you're getting at. he was speaking about a lad who said tzsyu was a quitter for pulling out against hatton, i was asking would the guy say the same about mclellan.

simple really

 

Until you have boxed you cant say **** for a boxer quitting, all sorts of factors come into play, you may be physically exhausted and simply unable to carry on, you may have a blinding headache from all the shots you have taken and be seriously worried for your health about taking any more etc. These guys dont throw away opportunities of a lifetime for no valid reason , yeah sure some have taken the easy way out, but a very small percentage, and to label kostya in with them is imo ridiculous.

 

Do any of you remember the Carlos Navarro - Bobby Pacquiao fight?

Navarro took a knee, but the referee ruled it a slip and Carlos started banging his fists on the canvas in frustration (basically because he was looking for an excuse to get out of there); Navarro therefore got back up again, but then soon took another knee and actually proceeded to count along with the referee until he had reached the number 10 and the fight was over. Navarro then threw his arms up in the air as if to say "thank you, now I can go and get drunk down at the bar".

It wasn't a pretty spectacle.

 

Man, the guy got permanent brain damage in that fight.
It's not like his corner pulled him out, or he was just beaten up.
I repeat: What the hell are you talking about?

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I see you're wondering what the other guy would say about it... Fair enough then.

But if he said the same thing about McClellan he would be an ass clown, for sure.

 

This thread reminds me of what chris eubank said years ago after he retired. "When your taking a beating, you take it like a man". I think he was referring to the thompson fight.He took some wallops off the cat.....

 

It really depends on circumstance, but i think we gonna see a lot more of it with this open scoring bull****.........

 

i think there are different levels of quitting

Level 1 - Quitting because you are getting your ass kicked and took a damn beating....and only a round or 2 left in fight....

Level 2 - Quitting because you think you are ahead on cards because of a cut
(chavez vs randall 2, leija vs ward, camacho jr vs ward)

Level 3- quitting because you think you cant win, early in the fight before taking too much punishment
(raul marquez- arthur abraham)

maybe you can throw in quitting because of an injury, but when guy like Muhammad Ali boxed 11 rounds with a broken jaw, other fighters have boroken their hands in a fight, cut from both eyes.....makes guys like
Raul Marquez look like a *****.....

 

You named Joe Frazier as a quitter? Didn't Futch as the chief second pull the plug not Joe? That is not quitting.

Quitting is what Duran did against SRL or what Cotto did against Margarito.

 

bloody hell calm down . i was simply wondering how far a bell end like that would go with this " quitter " thing. tszyu after another round may have ended up like gerald mclellan. luckily he got pulled out so its not a question that needs answering.
dunno what you thought i meant. did you think i was calling him a quitter cos he stayed down on his knee ? second thoughts, forget it.

 

(1) Very True; Frazier wanted to go on even though he was fighting blind.

(2) Very different circumstances; Duran just turned away and said no more, I'm not fighting with this clown any more (it was a macho thing, basically because SRL was taking the **** out of him, not because he was landing killer blows). Cotto on the otherhand just had nothing left; he was beaten to a pulp and his body had lost the will to respond (I have no problem with Cotto getting out of there when he did; he was gone as much mentally as physically).

 

At first I thought you were wondering if one could call McClellan a quitter... that's why I got a bit mad! But afterwards I understood what you were saying, meaning what the other guy would say. So it's all good. :good

 

good .

 

:bbb :tired

 

I don't turn my nose up at anyone who quits a fight. It perhaps annoys me a bit at the time as a viewer/fan, but later once the dust has settled, I realize and appreciate that the guy is risking serious physical damage in continuing when he is either in dire trouble or simply knows he can't win so is taking punishment just for the sake of it, and I never thereafter criticize or hold a grudge.

The "go out on your shield" mentality is dangerous, medieval, and basically pretty thick.

 

In most cases, hell no. Boxers die in the ring every single year, and even now it's usually a couple of guys per year. that anyone who goes into boxing will suffer some harm from it is part of the deal, but no one is obligated to lay down any shot at long term health or their life for my entertainment. (Or worse yet, find themselves in a Gerald McClellan sort of situation, where all the millions are gone and now his family can barely afford to take care of him and keep their home).

That said, there are cases that do turn my stomach, most notably those like Seldon's performance against Tyson or Akinwande's against Lewis. Honestly, if you're not going to fight at all, forfeit before the match or whatever, don't wait until the bell rings.