:good Nobody can dispute this. Barrera was unstoppable just before he fought Pac and STILL continued on his WINNING STREAK after Pac, one of whom was beating Morales. Then when he fought JMM, he still gave a very respectable and competitive fight against him. 2003 Barrera was P4P #3 and was STILL PRIME. Anybody disputing that has got a ****in high mountain to climb. All evidence point to Barrera being prime at that time, just because his arch-rival EM started declining doesn't mean he also did. Good ****in post il postino. Show em!!
Very weak. STILL hasn't fought another HOF fighter in his prime to this day, and apparently never will.
MAB was probably at least four years past his prime in 2003 and had the world's worst training camp to boot. Try again.
Pac's an excellent fighter and clear P4P number 1. What I do think is that he is a relatively weak P4P king compared to his predecessors. And is only at the top because Mayweather is retired.
I'm sorry but you got nothing really to even base on how MAB was past prime after Pac 1. Nothing. Oh and please don't bring that worst training camp excuse mate. Because if we go that route then I might as well bring up the gloves excuse on the Pac-Morales 1 fight. Marco was mighty fine on the night of the 15th of November 2003(just as Pac was against EM). He just got beaten by someone whose style was wrong for him and always will be. Doesn't take away from his ATGreatness though(and before you come up to me and call me a Pac fanatic like a certain hater does, I rank MAB and EM higher than Pac on the ATG list).
Hmmm, I'll have to sit down at some point and compile a list as I've never bothered to do more than a top ten. On initial thoughts though, Pac, MAB and EM would all be around the same place for me, no clear ground given to either three. I'm open to suggestions on what puts EM and MAB ahead of Pac though (as I say, at the moment I havent ranked any of them in any kind of list just would like to hear your reasons).
There will always be haters on any of top boxers alive today. In the case of Pacquiao, they're excuse is that Pac never fought an elite prime fighter and only feasted on old fighters, when he clearly did in 2 fighters in MAB and JMM(I know this one is arguable but a case can certainly be made of Pac winning). EM, MAB and JMM where clearly the best fighters in the 126 and 130lb divisions by the time he fought them, old or not. And these people conveniently forget that. They actually think that Guzman, Valero and Soto where the ones Pac should've fought instead of the big Mexican 3. Anybody but the "old" Mexican 3. Laughable.
All 3 are close but I just feel MAB and EM are a little bit higher due to longevity(especially MAB). Because of that, they were able to fight and beat more good-great/elite fighters than Pacquiao. Pacquiao just recently came to the world scene so he hasn't fought that many good-great/elite fighters yet. That's the difference between them IMO. Although I will say that Pac has a chance of overtaking them by the time he retires. So we'll see. Note that I have no problem if people rank Pac higher than the 2. Wins against them and arguably against JMM could certainly make a case for Pac to be above the 2 legends. I just feel the 2 has done more.
NELLEGE, So you don't want ODH to go down at 147lbs. So you want PAC to go UP 3 weight classes?!!!!!! You are not satisfied with two weight classes?! YOU want pac who is much smaller and have shorter reach to go up 3 weight classes and you think that's the fair deal?! In other words pac who just experienced fighting at 135lbs once should go straight to 154lbs?!!!!! :think :smoke atsch atsch atsch Ah! Having or agreeing on a catch weight will be a disadvantage to ODLH coz he has not fought that in 8 yrs.. but never considered that PAC had to go up to weight classes at the same time smaller and shorter reach.. GO ON WITH YOU REASONING and DIG your own GRAVE of stupidity!!!! Your kind of reasoning shows that DEEP INSIDE you are afraid that pac is about to pull an upset so as early as now you are saying that pac should not get any credit coz... and because......