JuanMa: I want no parts of Caballero

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigReg, Nov 25, 2008.


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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I think Marquez is damaged goods. He's having another surgery to repair a detatched retina, and I don't like the way he was reacting to those punches in that 3rd Vazquez fight. He was wobbled in numerous rounds. JuanMa is a huge puncher. A chinny, older fighter coming off of two eye surgeries, and three wars, should not be fighting a young, technically sound power puncher.
     
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  2. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    He's basically saying he doesn't want the fight. I don't want to hear this bull**** about P.R vs. Mexico. The kid is after cash, plain and simple. If he beats Vazquez, there's no reason to fight a possibly shot fighter who lost twice to Izzy. And when the hell did JuanMa become such a big name?
     
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  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    In his last fight, he went 12 rounds with the best fighter at Jr Featherweight, and he is damaged goods?

    The reports of his detatched retina is somewhat unsettling, but there should be no talk of him being finished until we see how he performs in his next fight.

    There is no shame in getting wobbled against the likes of Vasquez, who is a huge puncher himself. Marquez was highly competitive.

    I agree that Marquez should not go directly into a fight with Lopez, but he wouldn't be blown out like De Leon was.

    Leon was always a limited fighter, and isn't really in the same class as a boxer/puncher like Marquez.

    JuanMa's best win is over De Leon, who he destroyed, but it's to early to say he walks over a big punching, technical, experianced fighter in Marquez.
     
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  4. BOONDOCK SAINT

    BOONDOCK SAINT Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly the key word "possibly" shot fighter...I dont think he's shot...I think he would be a good fight as well...And even if he wants Marquez...what makes you think Marquez would take that fight?
    The marquez fight is what Lopez wants, doesnt mean he will get...If Lopez and Caballero keep wining they will have no choice to fight each other...
     
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  5. pngo

    pngo #1Contender Full Member

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    I just want to see him fight at least 12 full rounds, or at least 9 :yep, he's knocking his opponents so dam fast. I wanna see him how he will fight if the KO can't happen.
     
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  6. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I think Vazquez may be damaged goods as well. These guys aren't that young. Three brutal fights like that certainly took its toll on both fighters.

    All the warning signs are there. I'm simply giving my opinion based on the circumstances

    He was getting wobbled in just about every round. That's a bad sign.

    When did I say he would? DeLeon lost in the first round. Rafa may get out the first round, but he would be in for a beating against JuanMa.


    Marquez has slowed down. His reflexes aren't quite there, he's getting hit too often, and he's not reacting well to punches. The detached retina is a big concern. He probably should be retiring. That's what I would recommend if I were his manager. If he does keep fighting, I hope I'm wrong. I'm a big Marquez fan, and I don't want to see him get hurt in there.
     
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  7. istmeno

    istmeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    exactly fighting izzy to unify, and than stating that the next LOGICAL fight is marquez, is pure unadulterated bull ****.
    if that is the route, then the next logical fight is unification for the undisputed title. not a fight against a fighter that has no title.
     
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  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Speculation. :good


    So we agree it's speculation. :good


    False.

    Marquez was not wobbled in nearly every round. We can agree he was hurt on more than one occasion, though.


    I wasn't implying you had said that, I was simply outlining my belief that Marquez could and would be competitive with Lopez.

    Rafael would be the best opponent of Lopez's career, and there is no evidence to suggest Marquez is shot.



    It sounds like you're reading a lot into the detatched retina talk, but Marquez performed better in the third meeting than he did in the second. The nature of a fight like Vasquez/Marquez means it is going to be a high contact fight, where both fighters were constantly being hit even in their first meeting.

    Lopez should go into that fight as the favourite considering where both fighters are at in their career, but Lopez would be in a fight with either Marquez or Vasquez.
     
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  9. iceman

    iceman Tis my Island Full Member

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    :good
     
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  10. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Of course it's speculation. Most of the **** that is posted here is speculation. Look at every predicition thread, that's all speculation. However, the speculation is based on observed evidence.




    I gotta watch the fight again, but there was at least 4 or 5 rounds were he was wobbled. Thaat shouldn't be happening.


    DeLeon was stopped in one round, it's not hard to be more competitive than that.

    There's plenty of evidence that I've already outlined



    Marquez performed very well in that second fight. That stoppage may have been premature. Either way, just because he was competitive in that fight doesn't mean that he isn't shot. Reid performed well against Tito, but he was clearly a shot fighter after that fight. Again, this guy has been through 3 wars where he took a lot of punishment.
    The nature of a fight like Vasquez/Marquez means it is going to be a high contact fight, where both fighters were constantly being hit even in their first meeting.

    I think Vasquez still has something left. I can't say I believe the same about Marquez. He looked slower in that 3rd Vasquez fight, and was getting hit more ofter, and wasn't reacting well to punches. These are clear signs of a fighter being on the slide. Again, I hope I'm wrong or that I dont get proven right the hard way.
     
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  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Just another excuse to watch an extrodinary fight. :good


    I didn't mean he would be more competitive than De Leon, just that he'd be competitive...period


    Perhaps, but a shot fighter doesn't go 12 rounds with Israel Vasquez, hurting him and knocking him down in the process.

    You may be right, I think it would be devastating for Marquez to be finished already, coming off back to back losses. I would feel for him.

    You're credited for bringing up legit reasons for your belief that Marquez is damaged goods, but I'll reserve my judgement until his next bout.

    Lopez is still largely untested, and we don't know how he will react when hit by a big puncher. It's difficult for me to completely write off both Vasquez and Marquez when considering this.

    :good
     
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  12. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Now, I don't understand this at all. And I've heard this kind of talk often before (for other fighters), and I still don't understand it.

    What could he have done more at this stage of his career, in your opinion? They way you say it, it's like he could have done a hell lot more, but he hasn't.

    And Lopez isn't "sitting around calling guys out". He won the WBO title in June (1 round destruction of De Leon) and he defended it against Figueroa LAST MONTH (another 1 round destruction).

    And imo there's nothing wrong with NOT jumping against the best guy around immediately. Why not fight him a couple fights later, having gained name recognition and experience first?

    He has "done ****"? I think he has showed he is a big player in the sport right now, with potential to be a future star.
     
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  13. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Are you talking about Caballero-PDL? Naw, you can't be lol...
     
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  14. istmeno

    istmeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he saw the clips prior to the molitor fight he missed the actual drubbing that resulted in a lopsided scorecard. 118-109 ,117-111 ,115-112
     
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  15. Ricky369

    Ricky369 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem is: Juanma hits harder than PDL and is WWWAAYYYYYY better boxer.
     
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