Mexican War - who is the better fighter?

In the last few years we have become used to talking about the Mexican Holy Trinity of Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera and Juan Manuel Marquez. The latter is quite a new entry into a group previously made up of just the duo of El Terrible and The Baby Faced Assasin. In an attempt to throw a couple of spanners in the works I want you to tell me how Juan Manuel compares with two other modern Mexican ring warriors; the first is Jose Luis Castillo, and the second is his brother Rafael. Results mean a lot in this business, so here is quick run down of what I think are the 10 best wins and draws from the trio:

Juan Manuel Marquez

1 - Joel Casamayor TKO11
2 - Manny Pacquiao D12
3 - Marco Antonio Barrera UD12
4 - Rocky Juarez UD12
5 - Derrick Gainer TD7
6 - Manuel Medina TKO7
7 - Victor Polo UD12
8 - Robbie Peden RTD10
9 - Agapito Sanchez UD12
10 - Orlando Salido UD12



Jose Luis Castillo

1 - Diego Corrales KO4
2 - Julio Diaz TKO10
3 - Joel Casamayor SD12
4 - Juan Lazcano UD12
5 - Cesar Bazan TKO6
6 - Stevie Johnston D12
7 - Stevie Johnston UD12
8 - Herman Ngoudjo UD12
9 - Rolando Reyes
10 - Steve Quinonez UD10



Rafael Marquez

1 - Israel Vasquez RTD7
2 - Silence Mabuza RTD9
3 - Silence Mabuza TKO4
4 - Mauricio Pastrana TKO8
5 - Mauricio Pastrano UD12
6 - Heriberto Ruiz KO3
7 - Tim Austin TKO8
8 - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson TKO8
9 - Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson SD10
10 - Gerardo Espinoza TKO4

NB: The results in bold are what I consider key results; they are in no particluar order (please feel free to question any obvious ommisions).


The results thing is just a general guideline (If any of you think Marquez deserved a win against Pac, then this might be cancelled out by others who think Castillo won his first fight with Mayweather and Rafael won the third fight with Vasquez). This is not a hate thread aimed at Juan Manuel Marquez (he is one of my favourite boxers); I just want to know, out of the three, who you think has had the most impressive career so far, and if on reflection Rafael Marquez and Jose Luis Castillo should be ranked up there alongside Juan Manuel Marquez?

Opinions?

 

:cus

 

Thats a whole different thread.

Juan Manuel has, generally, in recent years, been included in the elite Mexican group.

All I want to know is if he is ahead of Rafael and Castillo.

I think that Morales and Barrera are off by themsleves; I just wan't to know who is the leader of the chasing pack?

 

So basically you think that:

Joel Casamayor TKO11
Manny Pacquiao D12
Marco Antonio Barrera UD12


is ahead of:

Diego Corrales KO4
Joel Casamayor SD12
Stevie Johnston UD12


Which is ahead of:

Israel Vasquez RTD7
Tim Austin TKO8
Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson TKO8
Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson SD10

 

Very Good Post:good

Cheers for your input.

I personally think that Rafael's body of work at BW is criminally underated; Mark Johnson and Tim Austin were top level operators, regardless of division. After Johnson lost two contests to Rafael Marquez he wen't on to to handily out-box Fernando Montiel; that shows you how good he was.

Jose Luis Castillo also had some quality wins; he had a few stoppage losses earlier in his career (all due to cuts), but he had some really undervalued wins; the Julio Diaz one was a great one; and I don't think that people appreciate how good Stevie Johnson was at, or near, his prime.

I would have the order like this:

1 - Jose Luis Castillo
2 - JMM + Rafael