Wilfredo Gomez vs. Eder Jofre at 122?

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  1. Flea Man

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    Seeing as Jofre fought at both BW and FW (though appears to be slightly less effective at FW, though losing to Harada is nothing to be ashamed of) it's not out of the realms of possibility to think that Jofre would've been an exellent SBW!

    Gomez is viewed by many as nigh on unbeatable at this weight. Taking two fights into consideration; Lupe Pintor, not a noted puncher, hurt Gomez and busted him up badly in a close fight which Gomez finished with aplomb (one of the most efficient and brutal finishes I have ever seen)

    However, Gomez also dealt with a noted puncher, interestingly also a career BW, in Carlos Zarate, not intimidated in the slightest, in a basically one-sided beating (after a cagey first three rounds)

    Who would you guys lean towards in this fantasy matchup? I'd go for Jofre by PTS over 15, though would not be surprised to see everyone else going in favur of Gomez, nor would I be surprised to see K.O predictions.

    Two of the greatest punchers of all time, seeming unbeatable at just below 9 stone. Who takes it?
     
  2. Flea Man

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    No one interested?
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    A few things:

    Jofre fought Harada at Bantam, but by that point he'd been badly struggling to make the weight so he was probably not too much better off than when he fought at Featherweight.

    I think 122 would've been pretty much ideal for Jofre around that period, so I don't think there can be any questioning that he'd have been very effective there.

    As for Gomez, he faced Pintor post-Sanchez, a.k.a post-peak, even though it was at 122. By that time he was still a very skilled boxer-puncher, but was clearly damaged from the Sanchez fight and becoming more and more hittable, whereas his slick defensive skills used to be one of his best assets. He was also struggling with making the weight by that point I believe, which is why he vacated the title soon afterwards to step up to Featherweight. Either way, it was a fantastic fight, Pintor being a very underrated fighter in his own regard, and that's the first time I've seen anyone call Pintor less than notable as a puncher. He was a very good puncher.

    To be honest, I've gone back and forth on this one. Post-Sanchez (say, the version that fought Pintor) I'd lean towards Jofre by late stoppage in a war, but the pre-Sanchez Gomez appeared to be a more technically efficient fighter all around. I think it would be harder for Jofre to dictate the pace against such a highly skilled ring general, whereas post-Sanchez he'd have been more hittable and a bit easier to figure in most regards.

    At his best though, I think Gomez's ring generalship would give him the edge, as he would be able to match Jofre in most other areas, and would even hold the power advantage. Gomez UD 15 in a fantastic fight.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    Didn't mean Pintor wasn't a good puncher, but he wasn't the kinda' guy you'd expect to **** Gomez up like he did.

    Good points about that fight being after the Sanchez fight. You'd have to think that if Gomez had fought Pintor after he'd fought Zarate it might've been more one-sided.

    At least someone has responded, I genuinely thought this ws an interesting fantasy fight!!!
     
  5. natonic

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    Well, this is it. For me Jofre comes to mind when I think of who could give Gomez his toughest test at 122. Unfortunately, I don't have anything different to add from what Sweet Pea said. With Gomez, it's all about pre-Sanchez and post-Sanchez. He wasn't quite the same fighter afterward, even at 122. I recall at least one common opponent (noting that styles make fights and common opponents means little): Juan Antonio Lopez. Jofre decisioned him, Gomez stopped him twice). Gomez was an amazing boxer in his prime and I think he'd decision Jofre. I think Gomez could stop Olivares at 122 but wouldn't stop Jofre (just throwing out some fodder to keep a good thread topic alive).
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Lopez was probably a different fighter by then no?

    Thanks for contributing, posted it on the general forum and no responses there either?

    Thought this is a very intriguing fight to debate, seeing how many responses Pea vs. PBF gets every month it's posted I thought this would get at least ten!

    I choose Jofre by decision, but for me it's a genuine 50-50 fantasy fight.

    Would've been one of the greatest fights of all time, no doubt!
     
  7. Jimmy_Jazz

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    Good thread this one mate. Gomez pre-Sanchez was something else but I don't know if he ever had the all round tools to take Jofre, who for my money was about as good a bantam as we're ever likely to see. Pity that more footage of him isn't available really.

    Tough one to call but I'd say, without any great conviction, Jofre by TKO around the 11th/12th.

    More threads like this needed :good
     
  8. Minotauro

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    This is one fight where I've never been confident to pick either guy it would an amazing fight, maybe Jofre.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Good to see more responses, I just think it's such a great fantasy fight. I.e one not designed to put a specific boxer down!

    I chose Jofre decision, but who knows, both would be shipping so many blows that they'd be much more susceptible to being sparked. I'd say pre-Sanchez Gomez would be fresher going into the second half of the fight as his underrated footwork and ability to slip punches would've seen him doing better early on (although Jofre himself was not exactly one-paced!) and I'd bank on Gomez to either stop Jofre late or win on PTS.

    The Gomez that beat Pintor, I'd say it's even more of a toss-up, and no doubt a more entertaining fight! Not to say the other Gomez vs. Jofre wouldn't have been outstanding, but in this one someone's definitely getting K.O'd! Out of respect for Gomez I went for Jofre PTS, though I wouldn't be surprised if Gomez ended up sprayed out on the floor like he did against Nelson, regardless of the weight.

    Still, saying all that, there are so many factors that neither of those analysis' could be deemed as definites! A toss-up indeed, and one I hoped would spark interest.
     
  10. natonic

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    I see threads about Bob Foster - Michael Spinks which I don't comment on. The reason is, I just don't know. It's too close in my mind. That may be the case in this situation. Jofre and Gomez are so good that it's difficult to say with clarity what the outcome would be.
     
  11. the cobra

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    I did a thread on this match-up not too long ago, and most sided with Jofre based on his superior durability, but agreed that it is a very evenly matched fight.
     
  12. natonic

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    Awesome avatar cobra. I like the 3D effect. That's the best of seen (with the exception of some of the smoking hot female avatars).
     
  13. the cobra

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    Yeah, it's great. A unique shot.

    Got it from Robbi, he's the man when it comes to avatars.
     
  14. My2Sense

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Jofre takes this.

    For all his talent, Gomez tended to lose discipline and get caught up in slugfests, plus his chin was a bit "iffy" IMO.

    Jofre was a fabulous technician, with good all-around speed, an iron chin, and he could punch with both hands.
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Don't think Gomez nessecarily had a bad chin, he just allowed himself to take accumulated beatings!

    I went for Jofre, surprised no one chose a Gomez K.O, mind you, the Brazilian did have a chin of iron!