ken buchanan - an atg

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    this guy was a good fighter classic british mould good with his jab and a through and through boxer he lacked power but made up for it in technique.
    he won the british title and fought for a european title but was on the wrong end of a hometown desicion. he won his world title abroad in the sweltering heat of puerto rico and the champion (ismael laguna) came out first and grabbed the corner in the shade.
    Buchanna defended his title twice in a year all abroad but also had alot of non title bouts as champion. he then defende his tiel against a young roberto duran. he decided taht duran could not keep up his feroucios pace for 15 rounds so decided to let him tire himself out in the early rounds but duran didnt tire so ken gave away a few early rounds h then fought back bravely but duran kept a good lead. thenin the 13th round buchannan threw a shot after the bell and duran then traded with him and accidently hit him low and buchanan couldnt continue losing his title.
    he never got a rematch with duran but i think he could have beaten duran but that is no significant to this post.
    he then fought for another world title shot after duran moved up but damaged his eye and sparring and went in the fight with 1 eye and was unlucky to lose. he then went on to win a european title then he retired after fighting lesser opponents

    but where do you rate this guy overrall in the lightweights ever
    and as a british fighter
     
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  2. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think he's top 100 ATG. Duran and Laguna II were great fights against great fighters (I've not seen Laguna I). I tend to think he gave Duran as much trouble as he was going to give him. There's no shame in losing to Duran. A rematch would've been a similar outcome IMO.
     
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  3. Sweet Pea

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    He'd never have beaten Duran, but he was a great LW, I agree. Arguably top 10. Laguna was towards the end when Buchanan beat him though, I consider them on the same level at their best but prefer Laguna.
     
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  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    well i just think that buchannan would have been busier from the start of the fight and maybe not of lost the early rounds but it still would have been close

    laguna was coming to the end but was still a great fighter but i do think ken would have beat him in his prime
     
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  5. Sweet Pea

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    Buchanan was as busy as he normally was and fought at his normal pace or as well as he was able to throughout the fight against Duran. It was simply Duran's pace that he couldn't keep up with while maintaining his typical style and composure.
     
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  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i would have to disagree the first few rounds buchanan was throwing the same amount of punches but watch it he wasnt moving as much as he usually does he starts moving proper about round 4 but just cant keep up with duran when i htink more about it i think duran would win but he always maintains that buchannan gave him his hardest fight at lightweight

    i just remebered something my brother said that had me in stitches the first time he watched the fight
    he said that was terrible if duran didnt hit him low he would have got tired and ken would have KO'd him
     
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  7. teeto

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    He certainly is an atg, top ten lightweight arguably. Brilliant boxer and could fight aswell as he was always game. Class and fluid.
     
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  8. teeto

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    But he would never have beaten Duran that night, Duran would not be denied.
     
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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree that Ken was an ATG. The rematch with Duran never came, and I think he would have made it even closer, maybe going to a decision. Buchanan may not have actually beaten a prime Duran, but he was tough, and if it weren't for the low blow, he would have gone to a decision the first time. Also that 1st round kd he suffered was bogus, more of an off-balance slip than from a punch. Buchanan took it from Duran far better than the subsequent title challengers that faced Duran.
     
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  10. My2Sense

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    I wouldn't call Buchanan an "ATG" lightweight. He twice just edged a faded Laguna, and that's basically his claim to fame. He was a good boxer, but not a defensive wizard, and was usually forced to call on his heart and determination to pull out fights. I wouldn't put him on the same tier as the great (top 10) lightweights.
     
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  11. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not sure it would have been closer, duran would only go on to improve while i think buchanan was never quite as good after duran as he was before it (he was by no means shot but i just don't think he was quite as good). Of course this would all be on a motivated duran turning up, if it wasn't then ken would have pushed him all the way
     
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  12. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But how on earth did he lose to James Watt? Was Ken well passed his prime? How old was he at the time? I always liked Watt. but I don't think he could beat an ATG fighter. He had a great fight fight with Sean O'Grady & put up a valiant effort in losing his WBC Lightweight Championship to Arguello.
     
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  13. markedwardscott

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    When Duran was asked in the 80's who his best opponent was, he said without hesitation, "Buchanan."
     
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  14. markedwardscott

    markedwardscott Active Member Full Member

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    Duran said Buchanan was his toughest opponent.
     
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  15. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He beat watt on points mate
     
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