The Brown Bomber vs Big George.

Yep. The Foreman who beat Frazier was better than the one that lost to Ali. The Ali that beat Terrell was better than the one that lost to Frazier.

I've already had a wank.

 

There are quite a few saddos on this forum though. Who want to believe something, especially if a 'bigger bloke' beats a 'smaller bloke'. Ooh, they really don't like that.

 

I'm a lunatic who thinks Joe Frazier could even have beaten George Foreman in Jamaica January 17, 1973 if the referee hadn't been so squeamish.

Ollie Pecord would have done Frazier right, given him a champion's chance to defend the title. For chrissakes, Frazier was up at about "2". I have my doubts about Foreman's stamina holding out to be honest.

 

I'm really tempted to pick Louis here because of his superior skill and ring smarts and because he has recently become one of my favorite fighters, but I find the task at hand extremely hard for the bomber. Can Louis hurt Foreman? Certainly, if he connects enough on his jaw he can hurt anyone. But can Foreman hurt Louis? Of course, even more so. Foreman's punches would have a greater effect on Louis than Louis' punches on Foreman. Louis was never a cagey, elusive boxer, so you can bet that sooner or later Foreman will connect. Watching Foreman take shots from some of the hardest hitters like Lyle, Morrison, and Briggs leads me to believe that if Louis does knock him out, it's going to take more than just a couple of of combinations. And while Louis is hitting George, Joe will be hit back and could spell disaster for the bomber. I think that it will be exciting for as long as it lasts, but you know what they say: If two cars are coming at one another, usually the bigger car will sustain less damage, and well, that bigger car is none other than George Foreman.:good

George Foreman TKO 5 Joe Louis:good

 

You can´t compare fighters like Morrison (the robotic roids-freak who was only with his left hook dangerous) or Briggs (also a roids-freak who´s slow as hell) with the greatest HW puncher in history, Joe Louis. Louis could/ would hurt everybody, even fighters with the best chins ever, with Foreman´s chin it´s kind of funny, some people say he hadn´t a good chin, because Ali KO´d him and Young KD him, and some say he was iron-chinned, he was only floored when he was completely gassed out...

IMO the truth is, that he´s somewhere in the middle of this 2 examples, so Louis would KO him for sure, Foreman´s wild-swinging punches wouldn´t be that dangerous for Joe...

 

I wasn't comparing them as fighters. I was comparing them in terms of their punching power, and Lyle, Briggs, and Morrison do have comparable punching power to Louis. My only point there was that if George could take their punches, he could probably take Louis' as well. Hey, it's possible that in terms of raw power that any one of these three are actually superior to Louis.

Foreman was wild at times, but he wasn't wild all the time. If he was to prepare to fight someone like Louis, undoubtedly he would work on tightening up his punches and defense. The Ken Norton fight is a very good example of Foreman using short, precise punches and good defense with only a minimum of crudeness. Trust me, if Foreman connects (which sooner or later he will), his punches would be very dangerous for Joe.:good

 

Yeah, I actually agree with your assessment of Foremans performance against Norton.

There is much dismissive talk of Foremans wildness (which is sometimes true) but his performance against Norton was a wonderful blend of restrained brutality. I mean, look how accurate the successive power punches against Norton were. Foreman retained his balance beautifully through a number of terrific combinations.

 

Yes, Nick I rate the Norton fight as Foreman's greatest performance, even better than the Frazier fight (since it was stylistically advantageous for George). Moore and Saddler really did a good job of shortening up his punches and defence in that fight.:good

 

Jimmy Young defeated Foreman, and I think Joe Louis was better than Jimmy, so I would favor Louis to win against Foreman. But I do not recall what kind of shape Foreman was in at the time he lost to Young.

 

Jimmy Young did not beat a prime Foreman. Foreman was out of shape and was reluctant at that point to be as aggressive as he was during his heyday as champion. A 1972-1974 Foreman knocks out Jimmy Young within 6 rounds.:good