I think Wlad has done enough to make the hall of fame.

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Taken from a poster on the general forum.

    George Foreman
    : 76-5 {68}. 83.95% KO's

    Wladimir Klitschko: 52-3 {46}. 83.64% KO's

    Any time you can be mentioned in the same breath as the legendary Foreman, particularly when the subject is knockout victories, you must be doing something right.

    Another amazing stat for the younger Klitschko:

    At just 32 years and 9 months old, Wladimir already has 11 more wins (and one more loss, and one fewer draw) than Lennox Lewis (who retired at age 37) ended his career with.

    Wlad is now 13-2 with 11 knockouts in 15 world title fights.

    Lewis was 15-2-1 with 10 knockouts in 18 world title fights.

    So if Wlad is able to fight in 4 more world title fights and win 3 more such fights, he will have both fought in, and won, more such bouts than did the highly-rated former British HW. In 3 less world title matches, Wladimir has already scored 1 more knockout victory than Lewis did in his 18 world title matchups.

    Despite his critics and detractors, Wladimir Klitschko is compiling a very impressive set of career statistics which put him in the company of a few of the more memorable performers in the history of the division.
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Perhaps, but he has a couple of embarassing victories that will always count against him and I think his era will be seen as weak by many. And he will never fight what's probably the second best fighter of that era - Vlad. But he is very good, without a doubt.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Not yet.

    The next few fights might determine a thing or two.
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think that he's very close if nothing else. I do not however, think that he is ready to be compared to Lennox Lewis. Lewis AVENGED the two losses that he had, while Wlad only gained retribution for one of his three. Big difference in and of itself. But then, if we also look at the fact that Lewis pretty much unified the titles and arguably defeated a better list of opponents, I think Wlad still has a little ways to go. If he does manage to unify or comes close, and stays unbeaten for a few more years, he may end up in the same category.
     
  5. Rui

    Rui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When it's all said and then, I think Klitschko will be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's going to prove within the next 5 years or so that he's head and above all other heavyweights when it comes to being the successor of Lennox Lewis.

    The real question, though, is if he will do enough to be mentioned among the Top 10-15 heavyweights of all-time.
     
  6. Andrey

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    Why not???

    Lets take him and Sonny Liston for example...

    Yeah yeah I know Sonny was great. I realize that and YES he would be Wlad. But his record is... TWO first round KO's against extremely fragile smaller Floyd Patterson.

    And then two loses to 21 year old Cassius Clay. Wlad is already a universe ahead of him in terms of accomplishments.
    You have to take that in consideration.


    Andrey
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Comparisons to Lennox Lewis are a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Lewis is a top10 heavyweight by virtually everyone, top5 for some. As it is, Wlad is top15 in my book, but based on how he does the next few years, he could rise or fall a bit.

    Also, i don't like discussing a fighter's greatness when he's still active. It's just too hard to judge. Look at where Lewis has gone between 2003 and now.
     
  8. Bokaj

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    Liston thorougly cleaned out the division before beating Patterson. That should be kept in mind. And during more than 15 years of fighting at the top level Patterson was never dominated by anyone as he was by Liston. Liston also wasn't KO'd by guys like Sanders when in his prime.

    Ps. Clay was 22 and 23 respectively when he met Liston.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How are two losses to a young Clay more damaging than losses to Lamon
    "Who?" Brewster and Corrie "Fats" Sanders?

    And please note that Wlad hasn't been matched with Lennox Lewis or Vitali Klitshcko (the two best HW's of his era) and hasn't been matched with Ruslan Chagaev, my pick for the third best HW of now. Some of this is not his fault, but when we compare it to the fact that Liston was matched to the very best contenders in his division for over ten years, you might be over-reaching a bit here. And when I say "a bit" I mean "a lot".

    Having said all that, I agree that Wlad has done enough to get into the hall of fame. I think he's underated, generally speaking, in terms of his "historical" achievment.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Indeed. Wlad's career is still in progress, and for all we know with the life of fighters today, he may be around for another 10-15 years for all we know.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    I say now. The #1 heavy for a few years in a row is in the hall of fame.
     
  13. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Both Wlad and Vitali Klitschko are worthy of the Hall of Fame right now..... If BOTH brothers were to retire today, they'd get my votes in Five years..... Klit power..... Peace....

    MR.BILL:bbb:yep
     
  14. sauhund II

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    More Liston nuthugging.

    If Wlad would feast on (and have his jaw broken by ) 180 pound guys he would be cruzified, Patterson, lol, he makes Wlads chin look like krytonite. Oh now you gonna hit me with the journeyman Cleveland..............cannonfodder at best for ANY elite heavy of the last 50 years.

    Big , bad Liston quit not only once but twice against a green Ali.............could not even cut the mustard when Ali was blind.....yeah big and bad.....and I can guarantee that Brewster/Sanders would gut check Liston SEVERELY because big bad Sonny would be actually dwarfed by those two and while certainly no HOF'ers are definetly more dangerous than Machen.

    If big, bad Sonny would end up in todays Compton running his mouth or "mob enforcing"lol , he would come out in a body bag . Fact.

    Another fact is also that big , bad Sonny ultimatly quit on live too when he gave himself the golden shot.
     
  15. The_Hitman92

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    I still don't think he can be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Foreman though. He'd give him trouble if they fought yes, but lets look at who he has fought? No one in the significance that Foreman fought and lets not forget Foreman's career was arguable around the toughest Heavyweight era ever, however Wlad's career has been in quite a weak era. I know who has the better Resume out of the two anyway.

    Put it this way, I still think he has a lot to do in order to achieve what your saying and it will take something that I do not feel will happen for him to do so because there is just not enough good quality fighters out there. He does have age on his side however.