Fearless classic prediction, Holyfield UD Valuev

No, it really is about his age, and length of career.

He's taken a lot more shots to the head then any of those guys. Also doesn't the protective membrane between the brain and the skull get thinner as you get older? Makes the exhaustion/dehydration risk larger too.

I also can't agree that it's all about Holyfield's reaction speed here either. Yes, that's definitely a biggie...but he's also just simply not capable of firing away the shots and combinations he used to, even if against an immobile target. The sheer wear and tear on his tendons and sinews over so many years must be amazing.

 

I just hope Holyfield doesn't get hurt, I can believe he is getting another title shot it just shows how poor the heavyweight division is now.

 

If it's about shots to the head, where do you draw the line ?
It seems that some guys can get brain damage after taking one or two shellackings in a short career, but others had 400 tough fights and lived to be quick-witted in their old age. Just like some people smoke 40 cigarettes a day from the age of 12 and live to be 100.

That's why we should leave all the scientific and medical stuff to scientists and doctors.
Holyfield passed more medical tests and brain scans than any boxer in the world, even in places where they dont allow him to box !
So save the amateur "bloke in the pub" diagnoses. How can any of that rate as more reliable than brain scans and medical tests ?
Holyfield is fit, and he's a fighter. Yes, he's taken many punches, that's boxing.

 

Yeah, i long back to better days when greats like Richard Dunn, Scott Ledoux, Ron Stander and Jack Roper were given title shots.

Don King could have the current version of Ali pass all medical test and get him licensed to box. You don't seriously believe those tests mean anything do you? You don't need a medical degree or brain scan to know that Holyfield is brain damaged and suffers great danger fighting at this level after all the wars he's had at age 46; all you need is common sense, which apparently isn't so common.

 

At least they were medicaly fit to be fighting.

 

He's not blind like Langford, half blind like Frazier or just a plain corpse who couldn't sweat like Ali vs Holmes.

 

So he is more fit to be fighting than Sam Langford and Muhamad Ali were at the end of their careers?

That does not bring me much comfort.

 

So we can conclude that Holyfield is a more suitable challenger than Ali, but not quite up to the Jack Roper level? Seems fair.

 

Sounds fair; Roper had the same betting odds vs Louis as Holyfield has vs Valuev (10-1). Factoring in that Louis was better than Valuev (though hadn't quite established his legacy yet), Roper is the better challenger.



This fight is a disgrace, but i think it's hypocrite to say "this goes to show you how weak the division is". Mismatches have always been and will always be a part of boxing. Money talks.

 

Could not have summed it up better.

The question is how many of you are going to pay for this fight? Since it is relatively cheap and I am trapped in my house by snow, i might fall for it.

 

Absolutely no doubt Holyfield will outbox Valuev. Holyfield, the famous blood-and-guts warrior who brawled with Tyson and Bowe, will certainly box a mind-numbingly tactical fight. He'll move about the ring like a man half his age and find little problem in reaching Valuev's head with power shots. Valuev will do almost nothing effective and will just stand there.

However, I also predict that there will be an terrible decision, with one judge giving the fight to Valuev 8-4, despite the fact that even the most charitable observer could not give Valuev more than three rounds. The crowd will cheer Valuev's **** performance, but boo him before and after Michael Buffer tells them to cheer him.

It's easy to work out what will happen.



Edit: ^^^ Score!

 

Holyfield is going to get beat up pretty good today. He can't pull the trigger anymore and can't fight a whole 36 minutes. Throw in Valuev's immense size than I think it could get ugly in there. Not that Holy won't have his moments here and there but he is going to lose big. Actually, Valuev would be a decent opponent for a peak Holy. Holyfield would have beaten Valuev but he'd have to work for it. Tonights only question is will Holyfield see the final bell. I think he might hang on and lose a lopsided decision and if we are lucky he'll finally hang em up but I don't think so.

 

I am half hoping that Valuev will knock him out so spectacularly that it is obvious even to Holyfield that he cannot win back the title.

I hoped Ibragimov would but he couldnt be trusted even with that task.

 

Good pick, my friend. Good pick.

 

You got this dead right, Mendoza. Too bad the judges didn't.