Julio Cesar Chavez' relaxed, thumping blows.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Shake, Jan 30, 2009.


  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, just a broken eye orbital! ;)
     
  2. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what's next? Acusing Cuevas? For breaking Weston's & Espada's Jaw's? & Backus' eye socket?! Are all Mexican fighters now to be labled as "Dirty"??!
     
  3. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course not. Why Mexican? Because two of the three fighters mentioned are?

    You people confuse me with your eagerness to find dramabombs.

    To answer the question seriously -- no, I wouldn't personally suspect Cuevas, like I wouldn't suspect George Foreman. Their build, their dimensions, the snap, the sound of their punches I can tell they are simply heavy-handed.

    I cannot tell with Chavez. This is not a 'guilty' verdict, simply an admission that I can't see where Chavez' power comes from.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Cuevas was obviously swinging to decapitate people. We're talking about JCC hurting people in similar ways throwing casual punches.
     
  5. la-califa

    la-califa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But Chavez never really had one punch knockout power( Roger Mayweather I aside). Chavez' stoppages were more like accumilated punishment. he always threw three punch combinations, a jab, a right, then follows up with a left hook to the body. over and over again. The results would speak for themselves. When he did sting someone, Chavez had a great killer instinct & would try & finish the fight then and there.
    So what's next? Acuse Chavez of putting something in his chin because he rarely ever got hurt in his prime??
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who's gone so far as to accuse Chavez of anything?
     
  7. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think you were watching close enough if you think they were casual punches. I feel quite certain that Chavez had a much higher connect percentage than Cuevas. He placed his punches beautifully and had great timing. His punches landed flush more often than most fighters. At least that's what I saw.
     
  8. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think there are people on here who can only look back on Chavez' career as a whole and not remember it as it was ongoing. At his peak he was a great fighter and his shots were effortlessly accurate. For me, he was in a different class to your Margaritos and Cuevas'.
    Someone mentioned Gomez getting banged up earlier. What about the state of it after the Pintor fight. Can't see Lupe Pintor used those sort of tactics.
     
  9. PunchOut

    PunchOut Active Member Full Member

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    Whitaker - Chavez ... thats one dirty fght

    the dirty Whitaker throw low blows all the night!!!! runnin, clinching and more
     
  10. PunchOut

    PunchOut Active Member Full Member

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    by the way, this thread is ****!!! pure ****

    Chavez using load gloves, yeah right *****
     
  11. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So in over 100 fights nobody picked up that he was illegally wrapping his hands? And does he really need it against Haugen? Just because one does it doesn't mean his fellow country man does it.
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's a thought to consider, not a concrete condeming of him.

    I just find it funny that no one would even consider the idea even though he was as close to the scum of the Earth Don King as any fighter ever has been, was involved in one of the worst decisions in modern boxing history, and was also one of the dirtiest modern fighters as well. His hip shots, ball shots, and raking of Tzysu's face in their match with Chavez throwing a temper tantrum was something to behold.

    Also, there's plenty of ways to tamper with gloves. I'm not saying fighters who tear people up with their shots have ****ing horse shoes or concrete in there, but look at the Margarito fiasco. He had something in his gloves which can be argued to be a hand protector but it's likely it was at the same time inflecting extra damage on his opponents.

    And yet it will never definitively be known if that was the case, just as one of the superstars of the 90's Felix Trinidad was accused of. It was more innopropiate wrapping that probably had positive side affects then a out and out attempt to hurt the other guy like the Collin's affair.

    Also, Roach (Who no one has ANY reason to fault) put it out there that he wasn't happy with the way Barrera's hands were wrapped and considered it illegal. Seeing a trend here, bending the rules with hand wrapping rather then breaking them?
     
  13. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree, poor form to suggest that chvez loaded his gloves when there is no evdence to support that. Loading your gloves is one of the most disgraceful things you can do in boxing and its quite disrepectful to chavez to say may have done so with no evidence
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because Margarito, Barrera and Trinidad doing it to different extends all within 10 years doesn't make you at least suspecious in the least of certain fighters.

    Again, see bending the rules with handwraps instead of breaking them.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    An art?
    I beg to differ, and I'm a Chavez fan low blows and thumbing is fouling.