Harry Greb v today's MW's - LHW's

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  1. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    How do you think he'd do these days?


    A few of my thoughts
    Joe Calzaghe - He bloodies Joe for 10-12 rounds much like Tunney's first fight with Greb. No KO, but he gets beaten bad. Maybe wins two rounds. Kelly Pavlik - Kelly is too one-dimensional for the windmill. Even with his height and reach advantage Kelly sees a similar destruction to that of Calzaghe, but loses in a TKO in round 8 Arthur Abraham - Content to brawl with Greb AA wins more rounds than KP or JC because he is able to trade and gets stronger even when hurt. Still loses a UD and is left bleeding profusely
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't be surprised if Abraham was half dead at the end of a Greb fight. That kind of work rate against Greb's frantic pace? Greb could hit him several hundred times if he was sleepwalking.
     
  3. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    Oh no doubt he'd be bloodied to a pulp. The amount of punches that guy threw was inhuman. Hell, the amount of fights he had was inhuman.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Chin, workrate, number of fighters, resume...

    Greb's an enigma. I mean, I can imagine what a lot of fighters were probably like, you can somewhat reconstruct them from a number of sources.

    With Greb, I have not a friggin' clue, which makes the complete lack of footage even more frustrating.
     
  5. JIm Broughton

    JIm Broughton Active Member Full Member

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    This is one of the most frustrating aspects when trying to put Greb in a mythical matchup against modern fighters. We don't know what the man looked like in the ring because there isn't any footage of him actually fighting. I'm sure he was a hell of a fighter but what did he look like? It's like trying to picture how a TRex hunted down it's prey. We can speculate based on fossil evidence but the fact is we'll never know. As difficult as it is for me to do, I have to leave Greb out of my mythical matchup musings until some actual footage of him turns up someday.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    We have no footage of greb making it horribly speculative, I fancy the likes of Calzaghe, Hopkins, Dawson to beat him. Taylor probably has the technique, size, speed and athleticism to beat him but taylor can fight too 1 paced which greb may handle. Pavlik he probably figures out but Pavlik is very underrated if he can get his rythm going by getting his shots off hes a beast
     
  7. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I kind of picture him as being a mixture of Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones Jr. and Joe Calzaghe. That's just how I like to imagine him, though. I'm probably pretty far off.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    i think greb has the athleticism to beat each and all.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Size matters. Greb was clear that Tunney got to big for him. I think he would tend to struggle against world class modern LHW's coming to the ring at 1round 180 and over. He'd be MW champ though, obviously.
     
  10. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True, but the problem with Greb and Tunney is not just that Greb was bigger than him, but he was also faster and a better technician (from what i can work out). Tunney defeats all of todays middles and light heavys and (assuming his chin holds up to superheavy punch) most if not all of the heavys. Greb was able to beat plenty of bigger fighters.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Greb is uniquely qualified by resume alone to be forcasted to beat each and all today. I give only Calzaghe a chance to hold his own and not much chance at that.

    You want a challenge, pit him against Monzon.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Calzaghe and Greb have plenty in common. I think that Joe sets some very unique problems for Harry. I'd favour Greb at 168, but i'm not convinced he would beat Joe at 175. Joe would be fighting at 180lbs and i'd bet his able to match Greb for stamina over 12 and handspeed.
     
  13. MrMarvel

    MrMarvel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We know who Greb beat and we have footage of them, so he's not the complete mystery some of you are making him out to be. If he beat Gene Tunney to a pulp then he had to be some amazing boxer. Greb beat Walker and we have footage of Walker. I'm impressed by Walker. Aren't you? Is there footage of Flowers?

    It's just not possible that we could watch footage of somebody with Greb's accomplishments and see something in there that fundamentally changed the character of the record. We know what Greb did. The man is legend, a real beast in the ring. Newspapers of that day talk about a cyclone who just kept coming, growing stronger with every round. Like Henry Armstrong, Greb imposed his will on his opponent.

    I think he shines among today's middleweight and light heavyweights. I think he re-energizes boxing, too; his effective reckless abandon would be the talk of the sport.

    I'd love to see footage of him boxing, but I don't believe we have to, to recognize that Greb was a special fighter.
     
  14. LDJB81

    LDJB81 Member Full Member

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    No vootage of the great man greb so i dont know who you can make comparisons! end of story
     
  15. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    I agree 100%

    You can not compare fighters where no footage exists of one of them, the only footage of Greb is terrible, he looks weak, puney, and pretty inept to put it bluntly. Looking at the footage of him makes me think his whole era is poor at best, this may or may not be true but the impression his videos create.