Weight Lifting

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by brown bomber, Jan 4, 2009.


  1. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Hi peeps,

    I have recently dropped a large percentge of my cardio training. I have been training pretty much as a pro. Long sessions, daily running all that king of ting'. However the requirement for this level of training is no longer an issue so rather then continue I want to go back to the weights. However I put on a great amount of weight when not training as a full time pro so can you advise me how to stay toned but put on good size? I used to box at 9st 4lbs and I walk around close to thirteen, I'm not fat just very broad shouldered.

    Many thanks for any advice.
     
  2. Bill Humphrey

    Bill Humphrey New Member Full Member

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    If you start bodybuilding and put on weight through muscle growth this will have a negative impact on your boxing, you will have to carry this extra weight around with you and you may become what is known in the ring as a minute man.

    However this is not to say that you can't lift weights but if your a pro and your boxing for a living you don't want to be bodybuilding. I would limmit lifting weights to no more than 3 times a week and stick with core exercises such as benchpress, squat, deadlift, clean and press, dumbell press etc use low sets low reps:

    Bench Press, max weight 4 sets 5 reps
    Dumbell Press, max weight 4 sets 5 reps
    Squat, max weight 4 sets 5 reps
    Clean and Press max weight 4 sets 5 reps

    The above would constitute one workout and add a finisher such ans sledge hammers or medecine ball slams or 100 burpees in your quickest time.

    www.RossTraining.com

    Regards BH
     
  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I'm no longer boxing mate.. Thus the change of routine.... but thanks, much appreciated.
     
  4. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of different ways you can go about it. A lot of people go to T-Nation for guidance as far as maintaining diet, gaining mass.

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online...g_performance_diet_mass/the_quality_mass_diet

    There are many ways to work out with the focus of gaining size. 5x5's are quite effective. Basically focusing on compound movements, 5 sets the max of 5 reps. When you can do all the sets, you bump the weight up for the next workout.. You essentially do 3 full body workouts a week.. You can put in some extra isolation work if you wish to bring foward a body part.. But you have to be careful, as this sort of workout puts a lot of stress on the joints and ligaments, so isolation work on muscles can be done, just don't go crazy.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mahler73.htm
     
  5. Trevor Ross

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    it's one of those things in which you are going to have to sacrifice one for the other. if you do want to get bigger you might have to say goodbye to your six pack for awhile, and take in some calories. there are a couple of proven ways to do things, like the 5x5, 3x10, 10x3, 3x8, 10-8-6, 6x4, in a nutshell heavy weights within the 20-30 rep range, or you can go the other way with HIT. you will get big either way depending on how your body reacts, but for strength i personally worked with low reps. i went from 160-260 in a span of five years working with heavy stuff (naturally of course). to make a long story short, eat more, lift heavy weights, stay away from isolation movents, do body part splits, or upper/lower splits (yes splits do work for building mass you TBT nut jobs lol). when you want to lean down, adjust your diet accordingly, and lift in the 50-60 reprange. worked really well for me.
     
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  7. Bull Terrier

    Bull Terrier New Member Full Member

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    These sorts of questions are virtually impossible to answer in a simple way. It depends so much on genetics and individual differences. So many people look to bodybuilding magazines (Flex, Muscle and Fitness etc.) for advice and try to emulate what pro bodybuilders do. I don't want to start a discussion on the pharmaceutical aid which these guys make use of, but the main thing is that these guys are just on a different level to just about everybody else because they just have such great genetics and as such they can put on huge amounts of muscle, lose body fat etc. The majority of people are not such easy gainers, although the precise degree of how hard or easy they gain is very individual.
    So, how can you tell if you're a hard gainer? Well, if you get to a plateau which isn't particularly high and you can't manage to get bigger or stronger then it's safe to say that you're a hard gainer.
    So, what do you do if you're a hard gainer? Speaking from personal experience here I'd say that the only way to go is by intensity cycling methods. Use a very simple abbreviated routine composed of the big lifts such as bench press, military press, squats, bent-over rows, deadlifts, and (although not even necessarily) exercises for biceps and triceps. Shoot for around 10 reps and after your warm-up set don't do more than 2 sets at the very most. The most important concept is cycling your intensity. To explain the principle let's pretend that your limit on bench press for 10 reps is 90kg. At the beginning of a roughly 2 month training cycle you start of by doing 10 reps with 70kg. Next workout do 10 reps with 72kg, and then 10 reps with 74kg, etc. Keep going like this, build up the momentum and then hopefully you'll get past your sticking point.
    Be very aware of how long you need between workouts. Most people are chronically overtrained and between hard workouts you may need perhaps even more than 1 week (yes - 1 week!) between workouts on a particular body part. This may go against logic for many people, however the system really does work.
    I highly recommend this sort of training system for hard gainers because it really does enable you to break past sticking points.
     
  8. RDJ

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    That's a nice looking dog mate. Looks fooking strong.
     
  9. BlackWater

    BlackWater G.Wash. Full Member

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    Eat a lot and keep hitting PRs it is that simple. And by simple I mean simple to say, its very very hard to EAT FOOD. People just cannot fathom the amount of food they need to consume.
     
  10. El Puma

    El Puma between rage and serenity Full Member

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    A message to RDJ and Ralph C regarding weight training:D




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    Come on...you know you wanna;)
     
  11. RDJ

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    There's no room for it in my schedule. Must ... spar ... daily ... can't .... resist ... urge :D
     
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    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    Ha! See that Puma? The mighty Achilles is on my side :deal
     
  14. El Puma

    El Puma between rage and serenity Full Member

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    :think



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  15. Bull Terrier

    Bull Terrier New Member Full Member

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    That's a rather convenient one-size fits all answer. It really depends on your metabolism.
    Most people who try to keep hitting their PRs will just overtrain and get stuck at platueas.