I agree with Teddy Atlas ...

I think you and Atlas are both idiots. :yep

Expereince in the ring? Yes these amateurs have it . . . but these fighters needs to make an adjustments on training and actual fight plans and name for themselves while doing it . . . at the same time making adjustment on the mindset

Training for a 3 round fight is different than training for a six rounder much more a ten rounder or a twelve rounder. :deal

And there worst idiots in this board complaining why a fighter without amateur background is not fighting the best oppositions after only about 20 plus fights.

 

Like I said these guys needs to make an adjustment in training, in mindset and on the actual fight plan or fighting style.

Fact is . . . not all outstanding amateur fighters turned out to be top notch proffesioanl fighters . . . so they should start from the bottom just like the rest.

 

such a thing is best evaluated, from boxer to boxer. one might be extremely fast, to adjust to the pro´s, while others need more time.

in general though, ill slighly lean towards the TS. the majority of the fighters, who has a record of, lets say 25-0, could probably do without 3-5 of those fights, and stepping up the comp a little faster.

sadly thats not where the money is, and as someone stated, promoting a guy 25-0, is easier then on with lesser wins..

 

i still would like them to fight four rounders first and go the normal process before fighting 12 rounds

 

Robinson had a shyt load of fights, so that's an unfair comparison.

 

Exactly. It's all about money. When you have a 25-0 fighter with a spectacular KO highlight reel, you can make a lot more money when you put him in with a contender or champion, then an equally skilled 15-0 prospect like Povetkin.

 

Not everybody has the talent or the skilset of a Gamboa. When a fighter turns pro the handlers have to gauge a lot of things. It's not as simple as just fighting 10 or 15 fights and getting an immediate title shot.

Personally, I think the prospect needs to be exposed to a couple different things early in his career. With minimal danger of course. Fighting a couple complete cans is the first few fights is ok but the opposition has to change after that. Why stunt the fighter's growth? If he's a puncher put him in with a perennial tough guy who will take his punches and not go down. See how he reacts to his power being negated for the first time. If he's orthodox let him fight a southpaw (a limited one) somewhere early on. If he's an aggressor let him fight a feather-fisted counterpuncher and see what he can do. It's risky but the experience gained with success is invaluable. It's like watching your kid grow up. He has to be brought along carefully with the occasional rough patch.

Somewhere along the line you're gonna have to see what kind of chin your fighter has so might as well put him in there with someone who can test it but make sure that the opponent isn't skilled enough to test it often. A gatekeeper will do. If your fighter's chin isn't that good then you're obviously gonna have to match him accordingly to get him into a title fight. Every division has its punchers so you're just gonna have to bite the bullet and accept the criticism and hope your guy lands first if and when he does fight for a title.

It would be easy to say that guys with the extensive amateur/olympic backgrounds should be thrown into the fire right away but the plain truth is that the discrepancies between the latter and the pros are just too much to overcome without doing a proper apprenticeship. I don't want to sound redundant but a good amateur career does not equal a good pro career. You have to learn the tricks of the trade and I'm sorry but unless you're fighting top contenders in your first 10 fights, something that rarely happens, you will not learn them. 20 fights or so will suffice and then you can get serious about title shots even if it's just against a weak champion. You can have world-class talent coming out of the gate but that doesn't mean you can operate on the world level at the same time.

 

Was he talking about Gamboa or amateurs in general?, God I hope he doesn't curse an entire amateur team now. :scaredas:

 

The guys who were top amature fighters should have thier opposition better regulated.Im not saying match them too hard but i agree with what Atlas is saying,knocking out 10 guys early and learning very litttle from these fights harms a fighter rather than develops them.The match makers should do a better job sometimes

 

I agree, starting well acomplished amateurs in with bums in 4 rders just for them to blow out is a waste of time and doesnt accomplish anything.

 

What amateur guys need to do is turn pro, take on some decent fighters and then BANG BANG! Go for a title shot and from there BANG BANG BANG BANG you got yourself a champion.

I think it depends entirely on how the prospect is developing BANG BANG BANG.