Marvin Hagler vs Floyd Patterson & Michael Spinks

Absolute rubbish, Floyd never ever fought at middleweight in the pro's even when 17 and 18 years of age.

 

By the time he was just 21 he never fought under 178. Don't tell me he was a middleweight. He never fought there at any stage ever - period. It's utter crap. Once he hit his peak the debate is whether he could have been fighting at 175 or not. You and red seem to think everybody could easily fight a full division lower. These boxers aren't stupid.

 

Floyd started out as a middleweight and moved up. he wasn't much of a heavyweight tho because he took on the challenge of Pete Rademacher and the Liston Blowouts. Not to mention he offered no challenge whatsoever to Muhammud Ali. What makes a guy like Floyd think he can compete with the likes of Muhammud. He was one of thw worst heavyweights in history.

i thought leonard was bad but Floyd probably set the bar lower than anyone I know of. At middleweight I don't see how Floyd can survive the wrath of someone like Hagler.

 

Hey, i'll even give you the link

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009038

He was 21 the first month of 1956 right?

 

So what pro fights did he have weighing under 160? Enlighten me.

 

Well after your big speech half a brain would show you i wasn't even addressing you

What is a bit more telling is that the times i have now seen you answer for redrooster as if you were him border on double figures.

Wierd that, huh?

 

Hagler was tough,but don't see him beating a heavyweight champ or ex champion.Always felt Floyd after his losses to Liston,Ali and the likes,he shoulda went permanent light heavyweight.Think it woulda been tough to make weight but he coulda been champ again.Him and Bob Foster woulda been interesting.

 

I think there is a good chance Patterson would stop him middle to late rounds, and Spinks would probally win a decision. 15 round fights of course, that is how these old school greats did it. We don't know how Hagler would he carry the weight since he stayed at 160 but he was only about 5'9".

 

Personally i can definitely see these guys being stoppage chances over 15, but each to their own. At the end of the day either is possbile i guess.

 

:rofl

Yet another lil glitch in the system. Personally one wonders if Hank's house isn't totally enclosed from all four sides with all the neighbours he seems to have. All pertinent peeps too of course lol.

 

Oops. Careful with that Glitch, Eugene. :yep

 

We haven't seen 'Pep' in this thread, have we? :hi:

 

I tend to agree.

There seems to be a long-term fad on ESB of just writing off Hagler's chances against LHWs simply because he decided to dominate his own division instead of moving up.

He declined the challenges of Spinks and Qawi and so the implication is ... Hagler would have been horizontal or otherwise whipped? I just don't think so.

Most people think of Hagler-Hearns, Hagler-Mugabi, and Hagler-Leonard, when they think of him -and that is unrepresentative of what he was. Hagler relied on brute strength and a granite chin in the former 2 and boxed in slow motion and while relatively shot against Leonard.

Between 1978 and 1982 Hagler was a complicated matter in the ring. He was a boxer-puncher who could move well, punch well, switch positions in the middle of a combination, etc. He was faster and just as strong as the later version. That chin must be given the benefit of the doubt. And the man's fierce dedication was extreme by any measure.

This is not a man you want to underestimate.

 

For Hagler, there was no real incentive to go after a light heavyweight title. Don't forget, that for most of Marv's reign, the MW Title was the ONLY undisputed championship in boxing. Why should he choose to accept a demotion to contender status, or partial recognition, when he wasn't having any weight related issues? It was difficult enough for him to secure the MW Championship he felt he was long overdue for. Finally, he did have a milestone to aim for, Monzon's all-time record for successful defenses. He fell just short, but in the process, he's probably better remembered than he might be for abandoning his natural weight to campaign in a heavier division. When was the last time a world champion successfully defended a universally recognized title as many consecutive times as Hagler? Most of them just collect multiple partial titles in frequently ******* divisions like others gather baseball cards.