When is a fighter truly "shot"?

In this case its an excuse, they don't want to eat their words so they are throwing the "hes old and shot" card in.

 

He could only are through 1 ****ing eye!

 

what convincing performance?

 

I'll give you 3 examples of truly shot fighters.

#1. Mike Tyson vs Brian McBride

#2. Oscar de la Hoya vs Manny Pacquiao

#3. Arturo Gatti vs Alfonso Gomez

 

i never picked mab in this one, my reason was the following.

he is way way past his prime. whether or not he is shot, is a matter of perception and definition. If he is not shot, then he is certainly close to..

 

Barrera has benn in too many wars. I've said it all along, and I'll say it again, Khan is bigger, better, faster, stronger. But, people just think because he is Marco Antonio Barrera, he is gonna kill him and his weak-ass chin. The dude couldn't even beat a guy who was 1 and 7 for pete's sake. This is Oscar-Pacquaio all over again.

 

I will go with that, but when i was watching the Khan MAB fight it reminded me of the PAC ODLH fight.

 

He's not shot but he's definitely on the slide. TBH Khan didn't really impress me, he held his gloves a little higher but other than that I didn't see anything new. He still punches like an amateur hoping to score points, shoe shines and doesn't get extension on his punches. I watched through a projecter, screen at least 5 feet accross so I could see everything and most of his puches weren't hitting the target.
Barrera even half blind still managed to wobble him several times. Khan's got talent, no mistake but he's got flaws and I don't think he'll ever be world class with that dodgy chin.

 

Ali vs Berbick was shot. So was Joe Louis vs Marciano.

 

"kevin" Mc Bride

 

Mab is obviousley well past his best we knew this before the fight, however many still expected him to KO Khan yet even before the cut Barrera couldnt get close to him, retirement time for Marco I think

 

indeed

 

To answer the thread question, it has to depend on the fighter.

Age: obviously, these days, age doesn't itself preclude a top notch performance. Still, it will affect the "skill/speed" guys considerably - RJJ didn't have wars, but his athleticism degraded with age and without it, he became ordinary. Chris Byrd and now DLH seem to fall into this camp, too.

#/quality of fights: I think this is the biggest one for "shot before their time". This is how guys like MAB, Morrales get worn down so quickly. Or the beatings Vargas took.

Mind of a fighter: depending on the fighter, this could also be the biggest. Look at Tyson. In a very weak division, he still couldn't compete and I think that was as much mental as physical - he wasn't training properly, he couldn't gut it out in the ring (didn't want to go past 3 rounds), he just didn't care.

Anyway, I think it varies from fighter to fighter, but one of those 3 dominates. But you never really know until the fight when it all truly falls apart.

 

Recently it was Selcuk Aydin against Luis Hernandez. Equadorian looked like the Thing: muscular, fit, technically sound. But one shot from Aydin and his legs were completely gone and he was out of it in 30 secs. I think this is the clearest picture of a fighter, determined 'shot'...