Todays HW division is not so different than other eras

That is a very good idea. If that did happen, I think it would make for a very entertaining year of boxing.:good

 

I have forgot more education then most on this broad has..Its not a formal setting...When I sit around drinking beers with my buddies I dont speak like Im at business meeting..This is sitting around drinking beers..

What a moron, and a very weak attempt

 

That might be your problem...it is fairly obvious that you are under the influence of something...and if you honestly think anyone on this forum is going to take your comments seriously, you are the moron.

 

Do you not even get the irony of your post???

Do me a favor, read what you just wrote.:good

 

Klitschkos would beat all the heavyweights of the past. Lewis would be their competition, but Vitali ws not given the chance to prove himself against Lewis. Lewis retired rather than fight Vitali in a rematch. He has been offered record profits, but Lewis refused.

 

If ever there is a so called worst era of heavyweight boxing, it is this era.

 

Respectfully disagree.

What about all of the color line era, in which many of the best fighters were not allowed to fight for the belt?

This includes the eras of Jack Johnson, who did not defend against black fighters, and sadly, that of Joe Louis, who fought agaisnt precious few other black fighters almost until almost the end of his reighn.

Maricaano's era is sometimes called very poor becase the best were all above thirty, but what about that Patterson era, when Marciano's shadow loomed overhead, and Floyed did not fight Foley, Machon, and Williams?

What about poor old Larry Holmes, who had little to fight in the fist place and openly ducked guys like Pinklon Thomas?

Who did Tyson beat really? Was 37 year old Holmes really a great opponent? 31 year old light heavyweight with bad knees Michael Spinks really the stuff legends are made of?

No, this era is not by a long shot the worst. It is pretty terrible, beause there are 4 or more titles out there (ermitas champions, super champions, champions in recess, et.) but talent wise it is not the worst.

 

i would say it is the USA that comes short in producing talent...it is always the american that carries the HW flag...europe has the Klits and what do america have?

 

Yes it is, it is ****ing crap.

You have to remember that just because other eras were seen as bad while they were around (Which is a myth for the most part, except maybe the 90's) doesn't automatically mean that this era is underappreciated.

It is regarded as crap because it is. How can you possibly compare this **** to the 90's, the 70's. Even the 80's was better ffs.

 

That is a hideously bad, ignorant post.

Prime Bowe and Holyfield would not be able to compete today?atsch I suggest you actually watch some boxing and stop spouting ignorance.

You think Jones (Former MW) snatching a belt is no different to Holyfield (GOAT at CW) becoming champion? ****ing moron.

 

My point is just that Jones beating Ruiz who is probably the worst boxer to have ever worn a belt. The only reason he had a belt was because he was shoved up our asses by Don king over and over again. He did not win against any one really. Jones is a great fighter that would not have beaten a real good heavy weight. But he was smart and fought the worst heavy weight. If anything is a joke it is the fact that uneducated fans such as the ones that think a former middle weight that beats a **** Heavy weight makes the HW division weak. The weakness in the mind of that kind of thinking.
The fact that Holyfield was a Cruiser that mover up to heavy is bull**** logic BECAUSE cruiser weight is a rather new weight class. The people at cruiser weight used to be considered heavy weights.
No one said Bowe would not compete today. An in shape Bowe would do quite well and could own the division. But alas he was lazy and only showed for a very short time how good he was. Evander was incerdable and a prime evander would still do quite well in this division.
The point here is the fact Holyfield is still fighting for titles and should not be . As are other fighters getting political special treatment. There are good boxers that can't get air time or a chance to fight these puppeted fighters.

 

Bull****. Second and third tier guys from the 90's would beat the **** out of anyone not in the top 5 right now.

 

Sadly We will never know if Third tier guys from the past would beat any of the fighters of today. As it is your observation. The point of the post was every era was veiwed as poor at the time. History shows it in a different light. But what makes me laugh is that people knock the good fighters of today and try to find fault in everything they do.
No respect for the fighters beating cleanly their competition. People say the other fighter is shot or a bum when just a fight or so ago they were the top dogs . Sure we have seen some **** fights but that is not always the fighters fault but more the people putting the fights together.

 

The word you are looking for is ''****''.

 

eh, it's not that great, but it's not the worst, either. The problem is twofold: that the fights as a whole aren't that entertaining, and there's not one "beacon" that has everyone interested like Dempsey, Louis, Ali, or Tyson- that group of fighters were so interesting to people, that they created a buzz for the whole era and helped legitimize the careers and perspectives of their opponents, even in defeat. Imagine Frazier never fought Ali, and how much he'd suffer historically, for example. Or that alot of people still thought a washed up Tyson could beat Lennox just because he was Tyson. Without that top dog there to make your name against, alot of people won't give you your props; so when Marciano and Lennox retired without actually losing their titles, it took awhile for a new, universally respected champ to emerge.

Without the exciting fights (and that's not a dig at the Klitschkos even though I'd love for them to be more exciting- it's mostly about not even getting exciting fights at the contender/fringe championship level), and without a central HW figure that the mainstream fan knows of, it's going to seem like just more "blah". Older eras also have the advantage of fans forgetting their crappy fights over time so we only see that era's highlight reels, and in alot of cases, don't get to see a number of great fights. Now, we're exposed to nearly every crappy HW contender/weak defense fight so it creates the impression that there's that much more crap now.

I'm a fan of the Klitschko's, and much like Larry Holmes, I think they're damned good fighters who could compete in any era but just aren't considered as "buzzworthy" as the four names I mentioned for everyone in the US and their grandma to know of them.