Battle of the HW swarmers: Marciano, Tua, Tyson, Frazier

I reckon Marciano would beat Frazier.

I'd probably pick Tyson if pushed to come out on top, but Marciano is so live here.

 

Yeah, in that light, Tua comes nowhere near these guys, as in light-years away. Marciano is hell for boxers, prime Tyson is so great at countering jabs etc. And Frazier is of the finest pressure fighters this division has seen.

 

I defintley like Tyson to take all 3. Marciano would be the toughest fight for tyson, but tyson would get still get to him. Ultimatley everttime Marciano tries to come into range, tysons blistering combinations are going to tear him apart. rocky was susceptible to that short precision shot, and tyson was a master at delivering highly educated pinpoint countershots but with top POWER. I do feel though that only a Tyson and Louis calibre puncher have the ability to stop a rocky marciano.


Tua is the one whos getting overrated here. People forget how easy to outbox he was. I see Frazier outpointing tua by beating him to the punch and cutting him up with sharp punches although frazier might visit the canvas early, marciano outpointing tua by landing all the clean punches and outboxing tua on the insue and tua has trouble hitting rock cleanly in his crouch weaving at all sides and athletic angles that make him ackward to hit and if rock lands his Suzy Q tua might make a quick trip to the canvas, and I see tyson stopping Tua with a TKO, he will use Tua as a punching bag the first 5 rounds and i dont care how durable he is there is no such thing as a great chin when you face mike tyson.


I already said my reasons in other threads why I feel Rocky and Tyson beat frazier. To Sum it up, I think marciano's vastly superior two fisted power and edge in durability will make a huge difference in the trenches against frazier, and I think tyson has the tools just to overwhelm and blow frazier away.

 

Bokaj,

I see your point and its valid, I just dont think even a good stylistic matchup for tua means hes capable of defeating consensous ATG top 10 heavyweights of all time.


If we look at other top swarmers through history like Elmer Ray, Rex Layne, Turkey Thompson, Floyd Patterson, Paolino Uzcuden, Tom Sharkey etc.........Yes I think he beats them. I just dont think he beats the very best ones.

 

Yeah he is a good inclusion here in the original thread context. Blame McGrain for changing the subject!

 

Well Tua always has a punchers chance. I love his late round Clutch Power he showed us in Izon, Maskaev, Rahman, and Oquendo fights all 4 fights he was losing badly on points. Then BOOM!!!

 

To be more precise:
Tyson TKO10 Tua, Tyson KO1 Frazier, Tyson KO2 Marciano, Tua KO2 Frazier, Tua KO4 Marciano, Frazier UD15 Marciano. Sorry, but the latter two are too small, easy to hit, and in case of Frazier, not durable enough to last long with biggest superheavyweight punchers.

 

I believe Jack dempsey should be added to the list.

I believe Jack Dempsey in his prime (1919-1923) was better than Marciano and would have beaten Rocky.

Dempsey would definatley have a chance with Frazier. Look how well Quarry was doing against Frazier in their fight. Dempsey can slug it out too, plus he was a bigger puncher than Frazier or Quarry and faster and despite the light weight was bigger.

Tua would look so slow against the Dempsey that fought Willard. There was no other Heavyweight in history pre 1919 that resembled Dempsey. Dempsey was quicker on his feet than Tyson. Dempsey would outpoint (15) or possibly stop late Tua (on his feet). Dempsey might even get dropped a few times on the way.

And Tyson would never fight Dempsey.

 

Thats your opinion. Some may Disagree with you. I think Dempsey vs Marciano is the ultimate dream fight, I think it would be a 15 round draw both men down 3 times and in the hospital afterwards. I do think Dempsey had a weakness that many people don't talk about, but Dempseys defense was at his worst when the other guy swarmed all over him. Dempsey did not defend well when pressured. When dempsey had range, no one could touch him. But when fighting on the offensive, his defense was vulnerable. Marciano weakness was he was suceptible to short fast compact shots which dempsey did throw. I do think Marciano has the edge in durability and slight edge in one punch power, but dempsey has the edge in Speed Footwork and combination punching. Skill department is even, both were tremendously skilled with there own styles...marciano moving around at all angles in his crouch and dempsey bobbing and weaving on his bouncy toes.

Wow, seems you have a very high opinion of Dempsey. You sure dont when it comes to Walcott, Marciano, and Louis. Im glad you think highly of Dempsey, I think highly of him too, although his resume has left us alot of unanswered questions. For a guy that drew the color line, you sure give him alot of respect you dont give marciano who actually fought black fighters.

Considering Dempsey never took on Harry Wills or other top black fighters, I doubt he would ever fight Mike Tyson.

 

I agree.

 

If we include Dempsey and Marciano in the mix I have both of them going 2-1-1 vs the rest of the field.

Dempsey loses to tyson, beat frazier and tua, Draw with Marciano

Marciano loses to tyson, beats frazier and tua, Draw with Dempsey


Dempsey and Rock were so similiar despite there style differences. Each had there own skillset the other didnt have, except both had tremendous punching power and finishing skills

 

I don't rate Tua as highly as any of the guys, I just think he's a poor matchup for Marciano and Dempsey physically and in terms of size and power. That's just what i think.