Battle of the HW swarmers: Marciano, Tua, Tyson, Frazier

The guy said he'd have Dempsey losing to all of them, by the way, suze. That's what I agreed on.

 

Woops Mis-read. Let me address your points then.

Maybe, but it takes more than just size and power to beat them. Dempsey has a huge edge in Speed and Skill over tua, and marciano has a huge edge in skill and insidefighting over tua and marciano has the ability to outwork even a very active prime tua. Marciano is too durable with too much recup powers to let a early knockout happen against tua, remember tua teleghraped his punches and threw them pretty wide, marciano was more susceptible to short precision shots...I think marciano will be able to get low in his crouch and weave out of harms way, and tua might find marciano a very ackward target to hit cleanly..On the inside tua will get outworked and lambasted by marciano rocky will be hitting him anywhere and everywhere while tua might land one big punch but wont be able to follow it up without marciano ducking rolling around and countering with non stop heavy shots .I also feel if marciano connects with his Suzy Q especially late, he can score a quick knockdown on tua. I feel rock outpoints david. I cant see david outpointing him.

Dempsey will be upp on his toes dancing circles around tua bobbing and weaving in and out of range, while tua misses with his haymakers...dempsey will leap up in with huge left hooks and right hand combinations and beat tua to the punch everytime with his handspeed. Inside, dempsey will completley outskill tua, give him a bad body beating, and smash both his eye sockets in. Dempsey will just keep going in and out, pop pop pop. The night will nevr end for tua.

 

I don't see Tua beating Dempsey, and I wouldn't make frazier the favorite against dempsey.

 

Sullivan vs Dempsey vs Frazier vs Marciano vs Tyson vs Tua

Time machined together, I'd make Sullivan an underdog to all of them, except Tua, which could go either way. All these guys coming along at the same time, I favor Sullivan at his best over all of them.


Frazier Tua is an interesting fight, I'll go with Frazier. Frazier-Dempsey also a good fight, I'll pick Dempsey, but very thin difference. I favor Marciano over Frazier but, again, not by much. I favor Tyson over Frazier, but if they could be fought at their best three times, I'd pick frazier to have a win.


Dempsey-Tyson, I'll take Tyson if they're time machined, Dempsey if they come along at the same time. I'd favor Marciano over Dempsey just a little if their time-machined, 50/50 if they come along at the same time. I'd favor Dempsey over Tua a bit.


Marciano-Tyson, I'd go 50/50 if they come along at the same time; time-machined, I'd slightly favor Tyson, but if they could be fought twice I'd favor a split. I'd favor Marciano over Tua, but less so in a time-machine scenario.


Tua-Tyson, I'd favor Tyson.

 

Marciano lost to Tua, Tyson and Frazier.
Tua won against Marciano but lost to Tyson and Frazier.
Frazier won against Marciano and Tua, lost to Tyson.
Tyson won against all 3.

 

good point Gulliah,

do we take into account how a trilogy might have gone? Marciano was one of the best rematchers of all time like joe louis, it is very tough for anyone to beat rock two in a row.

Joe frazier might come out smokin in the first fight and defeat every one of them, but be so shopworn for the rematches he might get knocked out every time there after.

We never seen Tua fight a trilogy

Mike Tyson only fought one rematch near his best years, he certainly took it to Razor Ruddock in the rematch. never got his 2nd shot at buster.

 

Frazier decisions Marciano & Tua but loses to Tyson via early stoppage.
Tyson stops Frazier early, and Marciano & Tua on accumulation/ref stoppage.
Marciano gets decisioned by Frazier, stopped by Tyson mid-rounds, but beats Tua via decision.
Tua loses to all, Frazier decision, Tyson accumulation, and Marciano via decision.

 

Very Probable TommyV

 

I'm confident Tyson beats all 3, Frazier beats all but Tyson, Marciano beats Tua etc, I'm confident in the results just not the manner, because obviously guys like Marciano & Tua have outstanding chins.

 

Well Im confident Tyson beats all 3, and Im confident Marciano and Frazier beat tua. However I am not so confiden on picking frazier vs rock, although Tommy I do feel the Rock would take frazier

 

Tyson with his fast start might stop Frazier fast ... same with Marciano .. interestingly enough the iron chinned Tua might bee to much for Mike ... worst style for him to fight ...

Tua may also pull the trick on Joe or Rocky ... much stronger than either and hits at least as hard ...

Frazier and Marciano can go either way ....

 

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I wouldnt write this Tua off. His skill is always overlooked. Puts his punches together very well, counterpunches superbly, and has much better defense than given credit for, very subtle and efficient head movement and parrys. Carrys his power from round 1 (Ruiz, Bell, Wilson, Moorer) through to the end of a fight (Izon, Maskaev, Rahman) stopped Oquendo and Nicholson in the mid rounds.
Many believe he outboxed Ike too. So he is not an easy beat in this. He and Ike set a compubox punch output record in this fight, a 12 rounder, eclipsing the record set in 14 rounds during the thriller in Manilla, so dont assume he gets outworked

Add that he has a very solid beard and wont be at a size disadvantage and I make him much more than a punchers chance dog.

 

Prime Tyson, too fast too good for all of them. Tua has the best punchers chance. Marciano too small.

 

This was the end of Tua. He was never that sharp again. When he left Main Events and went to America Presents he was a total slob. I thought he was going to make some noise in the divison, but really he never had the speed and tenacity of a prime Tyson. Plus Tyson in his prime was never trailing in fights like Tua in almost all of them, before landing a bomb. Some of the better fighters that Tyson faced would have easily outboxed Tua even in his prime. Ibeabuchi chose to stand and slug with Tua and Tua showed even in a slug match, if he couldnt knock you out, the better fighters had too much speed and dimension for him. He didnt have much more than a lefthook. His righthand was garbage.

 

Tua beats Marciano by TKO.
Tyson vs. Tua 60:40 in favor of Tyson
Frazier decisions Tua. Tua KO/TKO is not out of the question.

Basically Tua has a good chance against all of them, Marciano in particular.