Does Froch Have A Chance To Beat JT?

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  1. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    because you're comparing a paper champion to someone who's proven himself already on the world stage.
     
  2. smiff

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    ???:roll:

    I was simply opining on whether Carl has a chance, which he blatantly does. Dunno what your point is at all.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There is only 90 seconds left in the round when Pavlik gets up after the original KD.

    By the end of the round Taylor is clinching. He's punched out? I don't think he's punched out, if he is, he shouldn't be.

    I would also disagree that a Taylor should avoid something like this all out attack if he finds himself in this position again. He DEFINITELY needs to attack very hard if he hurts his opponent.
     
  4. KERRZO

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    After watching a couple of fights of JT's I have to question whether he has the heart to hang with Froch in the trenches. Froch could break his heart I think.
     
  5. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    After the fight he admitted he punched himself out in Rd. 2.

    I disagree with your disagreement; he is not an effective finisher. If he gets Froch in trouble he should pace himself and throw smart punches, not a million sloppy shots.
     
  6. smiff

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    Agree McGrain. All top fighters have to have some sort of killer instinct. Jermaine Taylor dfineatly lacked that in that fight. No way he will be able to let Froch off the hook and not pay for it. If the fight goes into the later rounds and Frochs still in it, i'd say his greater fighters spirit will get him through.
     
  7. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The video doesn't do it justice. He had Pavlik hurt a good 25 seconds BEFORE the KD which Kelly weathered. Jermain himself said he punched himself out which may go back to mental intelligence.

    And I agree he should go on the attack if he hurts Froch...but Froch has a great chin and power...so remember that an animal is at it's most deadly when it's wounded and in a corner.

    Foreman taught me that one.
     
  8. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is a very good assesment.

    However i think Froch will win due to Taylor's lack of lateral movement. If Taylor added some lateral movement to his good speed and skills i think he would box rings around Froch.

    I think Taylor will out box Froch for large parts due to his superior speed however instead of moving of to his side he will just move backwards and Froch, who has decent timing and steps in on his shots, will eventually start catching Taylor on the way out.

    I believe that if Taylor didn't just move back out of range and lie on the ropes when he gets there then he would have beaten Pavlik in their second fight. If Taylor hasn't learned this simple lesson then he could get beat again because of it.
     
  9. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you said it was a 50/50 fight and used taylor's "mundane rythm" as a foil for froch.

    you knew what my point was.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Right, this phrase "punched himself out". What it means is, exhaustion. No way was this proffessional athlete, known for his athleticism, exhausted. What happened was he got tired and lost his bottle a bit, decided to see it out.

    And what happened then was - he got KO'd by a puncher.

    There is an inherant danger in letting your man off the hook. It's ALWAYS dangerous. Against a puncher, it's rare that a boxer is forgiven. I hope it's a mistake Jermain won't repeat, in all honesty.

    Of course, we can disagree, but do you see my point?
     
  11. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Honestly? I don't think Taylor knew how bad he had Pavlik then. I HATE to make Taylor out to be some sort of mental midget but...yeah...I get the feeling he is one.

    He IS a poor finisher though. No question about it.
     
  12. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    fighters at this level don't "lose their bottle".

    at the highest levels of boxing fighters punch themselves out - it's often a gamble when you see your opponent in enough trouble that you think you can finish him.

    don't ever use "lose their bottle" - thats uneducated.

    boxing's one of the hardest sports in the world fitness wise. so it's bad form to question fitness as an excuse for exhaustion in this type of situation.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Yeah, unless he is being thoroughly out-boxed, which is possible, but I think this discussion shows how difficult that fine line is to find.

    We've got posters - good posters, mind - saying Taylor has to be careful, and not throw the kitchen sink, but the only example of Taylor throwing the kitchen sink is a subject of some debate - should he go for it, should he not?

    Should he go for it, should he not?

    That is this fight in a nutshell, and it's a hard line for Taylor to walk. If he can find it, he should win, but i'm not at all sure he will find it, or match it if he does find it.

    I'm really looking forwards to it. It's a ****ing disgrace i'll have to watch it on the online because no British broadcaster will pick it up.
     
  14. unclepaulie

    unclepaulie Run like an antelope! Full Member

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    Totally get your point, and I guess its a matter of what kind of trouble; if he has froch wheeling all across the ring like he had Pavlik, maybe he should go for the kill. If he gets a flash KD and Froch gets right up on steady legs, maybe not.

    Frankly I think its kind of a moot point, as I don't think he will get Froch into trouble.
     
  15. smiff

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    Correct, ****ing disgrace.