Froch vs Calzaghe

He'd beaten Eubank and Reid (thats a prime Reid, not the one that was so shot he got beat up by Lacy previously), and a few other decent contenders.

Carl has literally one win over a fighter that has a history of gassing. It's really nothing to boast about at 31 years old. Like I said, Carl was the laughing stock of the forum until recently, now suddenly he's fantastic with one win. The reactionary knee jerk reactions in here are bordering on comical, if it wasn't so stupid.

 

Oh and please don't say Tarver or Johnson, serious responses only please!

 

Prime Reid.... you sure?

 

Yes, I'm sure. Robin Reid was hardly the fountain of consistency throughout his career. He had good performances and bad performances, up until the time he was shot where they were all bad.

That was one of his best performances.

 

Pretty close.. he had one dreadful showing when he lost his belt but was still a better fighter than Ottke 4 years later.

 

i agree its a fight that needs to happen, but i see only one winner.
Do people forget the bombs kessler hit joe with, he caught joe with a peach of an uppercut and joe kept on coming.
Jermaine Taylor is not the puncher that kessler is, and lets not forget that kessler is in far better condition than taylor.
Taylor hurt froch many times in their fight I fear for froch what kessler would do

 

Carl did well on the weekend, Taylor is class, it was a great fight and a cracking comeback.

I've lost count how many times I've seen Carl Froch struck clean by overhand rights whilst keeping his left hand low Cobra routine. He needs to sort his defence out, how the **** anyone thinks he'll remain unbeaten at the top of the game until he changes this is beyond me.

 

Calzaghe after 25 wins was more impressive.

He won every figth in style, whilst Froch barely scraped past Pascal and effectively drew with Taylor.

Calzaghe would have easily defeated them both.

No need to even mention the age thing. Calzaghe was more proven after 25 fights.

 

Im a fan of both. And it doesnt make much sense comparing.

Frochs age being no.1 factor*.

 

Effectively drew with Taylor :rofl

 

Nah just saying the comparison is interesting actually.

You have Froch as WBC champ with 2 title fights - good win over Pascal and great comeback vs Taylor. Only a single win over a world champ, and no 168lb champs, but on the other hand that champ was an undisputed MW champ which is no mean feat. He had however lost a couple since.

Then you have Calzaghe by the same age had WBO strap for years already. Several shite defenses. Wins over something like 5 168lb champs, but no one that had ever reached undisputed status. Like Taylor most had a loss or two before too. Also there was wins like Sheika which to my mind is as good as the Pascal win. Pascal was unbeaten but Omar had only lost once and had fought better opponents previously - notably Glen Johnson. I know I rate the Eubank win higher than you Jeff but still it was a good win for a 25 year old. The Reid win was close - but that version of Reid would give most people fits particularly if they had to fight half the fight one handed. The Woodhall win was very solid. Mitchell win was good and Brewer was an ex champ too.

Overall when you compare them at the same number of fights Carl walks it. Compare at age and the tables turn and to my mind Joe has it. Pascal = Sheika, but JT alone doesnt trump Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer and Mitchell. Better than any one sure, but better than all 5 added together?

I think the most interesting thing about the two comparisons is that in both you see how their careers are going. In Calzaghe you have someone that wants to settle in for the long haul and rack up the wins being a bit over cautios in the natchmaking. In Carl you have someone that I think recognises his limitations and knows he needs to get on with it as his time at the top will be limited, but his star can burn brightly for a while, and seems to be going at it hammer and tongs and will either go down in a blaze of glory or go down as a great. Either way he will always be great entertainment, something which Calzaghe often lacked. Fighters like Carl will never be ten year champs with 20 defenses - in fact I'll happilly eat crow if he has more than 4 or 5 more title fights, but he will make a big splash in the time he has left.

I actually have my avatar up as a tribute to David Haye for taking on VK/WK. But I think equally Carl warrants it for taking on JT in the USA.

 

Nice post Liam, exactly what I couldn't be bothered to explain when I said he'd beat numerous other good contenders while Carl is virtually living off this win against Taylor at the same age. Pascal is a complete nobody, not better than Sheika at all. At least Sheika has Glen Johnson on his record, Pascal has nobody that would grant him credibility. Pascal is nothing more than potential at the moment.

At the end of the day this is kind of pointless, because if Carl is as game as people are trying to infer, his resume when all said and done will trump Calzaghe. Otherwise, he'll get whooped a couple of times and then drop down a level or two. Time will tell whether he'll trump Calzaghe, but I doubt it.

 

Froch's resume up until 2 fights ago was awful and the guy is 31.

Slight improvement against Pascal who you could probably say is an equal to Byron Mitchell if you're comparing resumes here.

Then he steps up to fight a middle weight who has seen better days, gets totally outclassed for most of the fight and pulls out the win with 40 seconds left because of Taylor's stamina issues.

Unbelievable this forum is sometimes

 

He really, really, really needs to let Calzaghe go.

He's vented his feelings, now it's time to let go and concentrate establishing himself as Britain's next SMW show stopper.