The Pac/ODLH Conspiracy Theory Exposed!

Jeff M · May 5, 2009

There is a "conspiracy theory" that something "fishy" was up with the fight and that ODLH might have "lost for the good of boxing!"

No, I am not kidding! lol I find this ridiculous but will present what I have read here on ESB! You decide for yourself. As I said, I find it ridiculous! The conversation of this "conspiracy theory" is as follows:

Originally Posted by lv lurker:

i said it before and i still stand by it, after 2 rounds or so, oscar pulled his punches. whether it be out of frustration or even devious reason, i know not. the guy threw only a handful of punches with any zing on them. in the 7th round, he was cornered and getting pummeled, manny backs off and oscar slips out to his left. for some odd reason, oscar grabs the rope and puts himself right back in the corner to get wailed on some more.
in the eighth, it looks like he somewhat made a comeback attempt.once again, he was punching half contact and manny let him hit him. he even raised his guard too high so that oscar could score. the ten second warning sounds manny's ON switch is flipped, and oscar again corners himself, only to be rewarded with a furious flurry from pac.
now i know oscar has said that he didnt have it anymore and he was secretly hoping pac would knock him out and put him out of his misery, but this **** is a bit fishy to me.
excuse my rant, and i cant tell if manny can take a serious punch above 135, no ones really hit him yet.
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Originally Posted by heidegger:

I am definitely not prone to conspiracy theorising but I cannot get these ideas out of my head as well.
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Originally Posted by lv lurker:

id like to think of myself as reasonable otherwise. but i cant deny it, because we all saw it happen. what was the most suspicious part to you?
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Originally Posted by heidegger:

I was just watching it before actually. I don't even know where to begin. I noticed right in the first round oscar was not really applying the pressure or coming forward with his jab. The comentator stated "oscar is not really using the Jab. This must because of Pacquiao's side to side head movement"..but PAC wasn't moving much at that stage, and that is totally irrelevant anyway. The jab is a a way to keep a buffer between you and your opponent as you move in. At that stage it was odd viewing, to me anyway, as there was one huge figher and one much smaller fighter going through that 'feeling out' process that happens early on to establish dominance. But you could see by the size of the two that Oscar was the more dominant and surely he must have known that in the ring as well as before getting into it. Compare the first round of Hoya V floyd with the first round of Hoya V PAC. In the former, Hoya came to fight. In the latter, he came to 'box'. Why? Why the tentative fumbling about against a fighter clearly his inferior in size? Was he woried about PAC's power? Maybe.

From there, Oscar never really got into the fight. Manny slowly but surely felt his way in, closing the range, and grew more and more confident as he realised that Oscar was not fighting back. It's been written off as exhausion, weight drain, etc but to me it seemed like intent was absent from the start. What's more, i didn't see him exert himself enough to even get exhausted.

After that, yes pulling punches, as you ponted out. I don't know how many other people think he was doing this but it seemed pretty obvious to me.

Everybody was schocked by the spectacle that ensued after round 6 when Manny was wailing on Oscar like a corpse. Perhaps he was out of legs, but you could see that he mentally capitulated at least 3 rounds before the fight ended, and purposely allowed himself to get beat up. He went into a mode where he wanted to elicit pitty. Maybe this was just because he knew he couldn't win and wanted people to know it wasn't the real him.

Add to all that, the bizarre decision, with no precedent in history as far as I can see, of a fighter moving down in weight (quite a long way, i might add) coming in dramatically under the weigh limit. Nobody has adduced an explanation for this yet.

None of this proves anything. I can also think of reasonable explanations for all these things. But on the weight of evidence, my suspicion is oscar came to lose. Coming in underweight like that gave him an excuse to lose. Nobody would think that was a prime oscar or give meaning to the fight. Being seen as totally shot would lead to people rationalising that he was far from prime when he fought Mayweather - a loss that must really annoy him when he goes to sleep. It would build PAC into a superstar, and build the sport of boxing and the opportunities for golden boy promotions.
Oscars was probaly struggling to find a relevant opponent and thought he would fall on his sword for the good of his legacy and the sport of boxing.

Or perhaps not. People will think what they will. But I smell a rat
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Originally Posted by lv lurker:

i have seen precisely the same things that you have and i personally think something was indeed up. and yes, all of the excuses for oscars showing are bright as day. but, dont fighters only make those kind of excuses if they continue fighting on? why would he want to conclude his illustrious career by purposely having a smaller man knock him out?
he certainly didnt recieve much pity and im sure he hasnt gained a new legion of fans based on his awful showing. too weird when you add it all up. let me watch it again a couple of times to see if i can disprove the conspiracy theory.
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Originally Posted by heidegger:

Did you find anything? I am not sure and i never will be.

but two more things:

Also I noticed these kind of coreographed 'rallies'. Oscar would all of a sudden look 'angry' and start wildly swinging at air, one or twice every round.

The decision to fight Manny in the first place also makes sense in my half hearted conspiracy theory. Everybody was shocked and appalled when he announced he was fighting PAC. Truley it is hard to imagine what Oscar thought he was getting out of this fight as even if he won, he wouldn't get any credit. But if he intended to lose all along..it makes total sense. Oscar wanted to 'stage' an Ali Foreman type upset to boost the sport.
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Originally Posted by lv lurker:

i watched it the other night just for shits and giggles but ever since the suspicion was raised, i just cant seem to look at the fight objectively. each time i watch, i am more and more convinced of it. but i just cant work out a proper angle for oscar to throw it. thats the part that has me totally puzzled.
eh, whatever. it was a pleasure to watch that jerk off get pummeled. he's crooked, no different from the other ringleading promoters.
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Originally Posted here: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136837

So what do you posters out there make of this?:think

Babality · May 5, 2009

Jeff M · May 5, 2009

Babality said: ↑

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:rofl

Jeff M · May 5, 2009

Also, I would like to note the last paragraph was written after Pac had already pummeled Ricky and sent him into Wonderland!

IrnBruMan · May 5, 2009

Insane.

A man of Oscar's pride would have gone out vs Pac like he did vs Hopkins - taking a dive and not getting back up.

No way would he have lurched around the ring like a sleepwalking zombie whilst getting the **** beaten out of him and quit on his stool if he was fixing the fight.

Farmboxer · May 5, 2009

Oscar did not sell out on that fight.

hmi · May 5, 2009

I remember someone mentioned that if Pac transferred to GBP, then the conspiracy theory is correct. So far Pac is still with Top Rank.

Btw, that first post is too long and I will not be bothered to read all of them.

DobyZhee · May 5, 2009

my theory is that Pacquiao went "EASY" on his boyhood idol. ODLH was paid over 20 mil to stay under 147. It was the biggest scam in history.

Farmboxer · May 5, 2009

Pac was under estimated.

PirateGorilla · May 5, 2009

Fight was fixed.

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Jeff M · May 5, 2009

IrnBruMan said: ↑

Insane.

A man of Oscar's pride would have gone out vs Pac like he did vs Hopkins - taking a dive and not getting back up.

No way would he have lurched around the ring like a sleepwalking zombie whilst getting the **** beaten out of him and quit on his stool if he was fixing the fight.
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:think The liver is the 2nd biggest organ in the body next to the skin! Don't tell me he staged anything there either!:nono

Jeff M · May 5, 2009

DobyZhee said: ↑

my theory is that Pacquiao went "EASY" on his boyhood idol. ODLH was paid over 20 mil to stay under 147. It was the biggest scam in history.
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For the weigh-in FFS! He should have weighed close to 160 for the fight but he screwed himself on the weight. Would have lost anyway but let's be clear here!

Jeff M · May 5, 2009

PirateGorilla said: ↑

Fight was fixed.

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Yep!

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Akatsuki · May 5, 2009

funny sh!t....

SnakeFist7 · May 5, 2009

PirateGorilla said: ↑

Fight was fixed.

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It's funny how Pac was bigger than oscar. Look at his arms

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