PAVLIk -MORA is on!!

Hermit or Boo, I apologize if I got the wrong poster, was saying Pavlik called called out EVERYONE in 2006. I am not exactly sure about that but it is a possibility.

 

Think it was Boo in a recent post, I wonder about that too. I don't really remember Pavlik calling out everyone and even if he did what has he done for everyone to pay attention and stand still?

It's only when he fought and destroyed Miranda on a well selected undercard that people started paying a lot of attention. A major boost was that the main event was also a poor performance from Taylor that made Pavlik steal the show easily and secure a title shot.

 

OK. You can call Pavlik's defenses crap. You know what happened when he offered Alan Green 1/2 mill to fight? Greg Leon got involved and pissed Arum off so bad he wouldn't talk to Green's manager any more. [url]Link[/url] if it doesn't get censored. OK. Just tested the link so here is an excerpt:

Green had recently started working with neophyte Greg Leon, who convinced Green that they should have asked for more than $1 million, a number so preposterous for that fight that it would be funny if it wasn't true. That's when Arum, Holden and Leon got on a three-way telephone call, one Holden said he advised Leon against doing. During the call, Leon angered and disrespected Arum to such an extent that he hung up the phone.

So we ended up with Lockett which was supposed to lead to a Calzaghe fight. At least it was mandatory number one.

Calzaghe wouldn't take 10 mill so Arum got HBO to put up money. $2.5 for Kelly. $1.25 for the challanger. We know Winky wouldn't take it and Williams wouldn't take it. I don't want to here **** about this cuz there was nothing to negotiate. Pavlik started training to fight Williams cuz Arum thought it was a done deal. Little doubt in my mind Goosen just thought he could hold Arum up for more money and it back fired. Like I said, there was nothing to negotiate. Arum was up front with the world what was availbable for this fight. Everyone knew it. Goosen's story just don't cut it.

Anyhow, after Williams and Wright turned it down HBO wouldn't accept any of the other takers. That led to Hopkins. We know what happened there. Now Pavlik/Abraham gets side tracked.

HBO now considers Kelly tainted and won't touch him so he does a Top Rank PPV for less money and gets a mandatory out of the way.

Now we have Pac/Hatton and HBO is putting all their eggs in that basket and summer is coming so Arum puts together another PPV with the best name he can get as a keep busy fight while they negotiate Pavlik/Abraham.

Lockett would have never happened, at least when it did, if it wasn't for Greg Leon. Wright and Williams turned down their chance at $1.25 and a title shot. That got us Hopkins and the 'setback'. It isn't as if Arum hasn't tried to get Kelly better fights.

 

Lockett would KTFO Marquez. He was a decent puncher. Pavlik hurt Rubio early and made him afraid to throw a punch. If Simon is better, I doubt it is by much. Even Rubio wouldn't be afraid to throw against Abraham who hides behind his guard. Evidence the round Pavlik admits to taking off. Lorenzo, I got out toughed by Marquez, isn't very good against boxers and even Mora got past Forrest once.

 

It's a damn shame when a champion fights **** after **** title fights. Pavlik doesn't even fight credible opponents. If he's a champion, he shouldn't be fighting no-hopers all the time. It tarnishes his title reign.

 

Lockett would KTFO Marquez?, you got to be joking there. I know Marquez is not a world beater but he's not a chump either, Lockett is just a terrible fighter in my view, at least Marquez has decent wins and experience with top level fighters.

Rubio is also a terrible fight, before fighting Pavlik he went life and death in an extremely boring fight. I saw that fight and thought it was ridiculous that he gets a shot, in the end he earned it and rest is history but he's not a fighter anyone would be nervous about.

Mora getting past Forrest once was proven a fluke in the rematch, Forrest just didn't show up in the first fight and he admitted that after the fight and PROVED it in the rematch, he nearly stopped Mora in that one.

Again this isn't an attempt to **** on Pavlik, this is just a reminder that his title defenses are nothing worth bragging about and the entire boxing community would agree. As a Pavlik fan I fully understand your loyalty and discussions to try and make it look good, it's understandable because two of those were his mandatories. Still people expected more to the point where people wished Taylor had the belts. Still can't judge as it might be too early but we're hoping to see better stuff.

 

Alan Green, Winky Wright and Paul Williams wouldn't fight him. See the post above. Green ****ed himself, Winky and Paul thought they were worth more than $1.25 million? 2/1 is a fair split for a challanger, no? Like I outlined above, Arum has tried to get better fights.

Lockett could bang and we see how Marquez reacts to bangers.
I don't buy Landshark's view that just because guys fought AA they are better than the guys that fought Pavlik. Bull ****. This was on comparisons, not individuals. I didn't say Rubio or Mora was good. I was making the point they aren't nessecarily weaker than Pav's opponents. I don't believe they are.

 

So far the fights aren't better at all, just hoping Abraham isn't one they ignore as well, who else will they fight?

Waiting to see where this goes.

 

THAT is the million $ question right now for Pavlik at MW. Sturm won't fight him, Winky wouldn't and now doesn't matter, Paul Williams didn't when offered but HBO might put pressure on for that one. There really isn't any names after Abraham and Williams right now. As close as I try and follow MW I look at the rankings and wonder who the fsck some of these guys are. Duddy got all the way up to #2 in the WBC and had his ass handed to him by a 154 pounder and Lyell is as natural a 154 pounder as they come. He could cut to 147 but says he just feels stronger if he doesn't do it. I think Kelly is torn. He likes being champion but it also limits his options right now. He may have to go to SMW to get better fights in the very near future.

 

Might as well focus on the best names available right now, I know Sturm can be nearly impossible to get in the ring as Abraham already proved but the few good names out there need to be looked at without wasting time in my opinion. Abraham after his next fight then try to get Williams in there. These two fights should be good enough for him and should guarantee decent money. From the looks of things he MIGHT have to move up in weight sooner or later, just hoping we get better fights soon, these things take time anyway, eventually someone will shine, I hope. Their patience with some fights in my opinion is just to make them bigger as time goes, there aren't enough big names there so they might as well wait on some fights to get people more excited about them when they're signed. Whatever they're doing I'm sure they know best, Arum might be a crook sometimes but he knows what he's doing.

 

Hermit you are not being fair, first of all the topic we are talking about is not even meant for: Pavlik-Mora is on!!! thread. Now that I got that out of the way, aa's and pavs recent opponents have not been world beaters, but to say pavlik is fighting the better opposition is simply ludicrous, I dont care how much of a fan anyone is. At the very least, we can agree pavlik is taking the weaker fighter route. Boo has mentioned on previous posts that aa's management does not want to match him up with tall fighters, so I am wondering after the loss to nard, is arum avoiding harder punchers for pavlik?

 

You and this whole line of bull**** about what paul wouldn't do...

Paul was ready and willing to fight Pavlik.

But every time Arum knows one of his fighters is facing someone that ain't worth the risk, he takes money off the table, and people like you spread this ridiculous bull**** about it...

Face the facts. The more Pav takes these ridiculous fights, the less he will be worth, and the more peope will begin to realize the truth. Other than that, you can carry on with your bull**** excuses.

Bottom line. Pav hasn;t defended his MW strap against ****. And you cannot avoid it without trying to repeat Bob Arum Horse**** lies about other fighters...

 

He needs to stay where he is.. less chance of getting exposed as the extrmely limited fighter he is.

Once he gets in there with a boxer-type who has a good chin, he will not have any answers.

 

And I know for a fact, Kelly WAS training to fight PW. I have no link or source, you'll just have to trust me. Within days, the B-Hop fight was signed.

It's funny to see the arguments about who's fighting who and who compares to whom, because what other champion out there fights 3 to 4 x's a year?

 

This really is a bad fight. Easy Pavlik win.