what does Mayweather need to do do get the #1 ALL TIME GREAT SPOT????

2 fu(k!ng ***git.

 

He can never be the all time greatest. This is the stupidest thread ever.

 

It's just funny that someone could say a guy who's record is over 200+ fights, fought an average of 10 fights per year for over 20 years, and fought in 4 - 5 weight divisions has ducked anyone is his career. I'm sure some fights weren't made for whatever reason but still, on paper, the math just doesn't come out right. :think

 

Actually they did, Floyd's response was "I will never do business with Arum."

 

obviously if Floyd beats JMM by decision, he is #1 ATG

 

True, some will never give him credit no matter who he beats.

 

Regardless of the math, the evidence that supports this is fairly well known.
Certainly Ray cant be accused of being an habitual ducker or cherry picker..his resume is stellar, one of the best ever no doubt. But the fact is he wasnt keen on a fight with Burley and if you look into Charlie you can see why, as a lot of guys avoided him.

 

What does stuff "on paper" prove? That only shows so much. A great resume doesn't mean you haven't "ducked", or "avoided" certain fighters.

Promoters in the Midwest (I think Minnesota) put Burley and Robinson on a card together, hoping to hype a possible match between the two. Robinson had been asking for $25k for a Burley fight. After the card with the 2, Robinson doubled his asking price for a Burley fight for $50k. He also commented to his manager while watching Burley that he was "too pretty to fight Burley".

Personally I think the word "duck" has to be one of the most overused phrases among boxing fans. There's a lot of **** that goes on behind closed doors. Robinson, or his team, could've been thinking "well if we lose to Burley, then it could hurt our chances for a future title shot". Or maybe they worried they'd end up like Burley and the rest of the Black Murderers Row, ending up fighting the other top black guys for little money and never getting a title shot.

It could've been perfectly reasonable that they didn't want a Burley fight.

But there's also good reason why lots of fighters nowadays choose certain fights and turn down others and that doesn't stop them from crying about "so and so ducked so and so".

So if we're using the same logic to criticize certain fighters nowadays and say a certain guy ducked so-and-so, then the same should be attributed to fighters of the past, great resume or not.

 

PBF is not an ATG at or above 140. Stop sucking on his nuts. It is people like you who love PBF, support Manchester United, happen to support Cleveland Caveliers and have been supporting Usain Bolt since he was a child that ruin sport for the real fans.

If PBF can beat PW and Mosley at 147, then I would say he is an ATG. If he can't even beat the current best at 147, how can he be called an ATG? For f--ks sake?

PBF is a cherrypicker. He wants the 0 when he retires and he will risk nothing to ensure that. Look at his resume, look at the weight limits of each fight. Wake up fanboy.

 

Let Mayweather fight Dawson.

 

I do think you are overrating Floyd's ability just a bit, but hey, different strokes. Good post mate.

 

-JMM
-Pacquiao
-Cotto or Williams
-Mosley
-A middleweight titleholder or Pavlik.

 

Marquez

Pacquiao

Cotto and/or Mosley
(Unless Cotto lands a fight with & beats Pacquiao,, he WILL fight Mosley again... and the winner of that will be waiting for Pacquiao-Floyd winner)

A .mw title-holder (Felix Sturm, in Germany! haha)

Pavlik (to separate himself from Roy Jones and Oscar who won titles as smaller-men @ HW & MW respectively, but against boxers who weren't the best champion...and didn't even have any major victories to their name!)

and errr.... Froch @ 168 for a title.

if he does all of the above. He HAS to be ATG number1.
But he won't do it... ! Not because he can't/it's not possible.... but because he has no intent of going through so much.

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If he wins a title at 160.. but against a joke-champ... & takes care of Pacquiao, Marquez, Cotto/Mosley.. he'll be t5 or 7 (10 at absolute worst). But to be absolute-number1, the only way he can make up for not having faced a PRIME De La Hoya & a PRIME Mosley (& some could argue.. a non-rusty Winky Wright... if he really is 'the G.O.A.T' he says he is)... is by beating a legit MW champ & possibly a legit super.mw (Froch!).

7-weight world chamion.
Undisputed best.


It's either all that... or build a time-machine and fight the fab4! (as-well as a few from the late 80s/early 90s... I'm thinking JCC & Pernell!)

 

It was really a shame that PBF-Cotto and PBF-Mosley did not happen.

These are defining fights for PBF at 140 and 147 lbs.

 

It is a shame PBF-Cotto and PBF-Mosley did not happen. These are defining fights for PBF if he wins.