Chagaev verus Valuev. Your pick and are you interested?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm interested. I was a fan of Chagaev a few years back. He was my favourite HW. Of course, he's had so many injuries and reasons not to fight it's been hard to sustain any interest, though I was into Chagaev-Skelton. There were worrying signs in that fight for Chagaev though. Also, Valuev has improved a bit, I feel.

    So this one is interesting to me. My favourite (still, probably, Haye not withstanding) possibly on the slide against a slightly improved giant that he previously beat. It could be closer this time. I'm going to be watching and i'm going to be excited about it.

    You guys? And do you ahve a strong pick or are you just waiting to see?
     
  2. H .

    H . Boxing Junkie banned

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    I just want the winner to face Vitali Klitschko :D
     
  3. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    After Chagaev's repeated injuries . . . Valuev UD.
     
  4. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I'm interested but nothing special.
    Chagaev's injuries and layoffs have him past his prime IMO.
    Anyway after recent fights I've given up on judges so I'm gonna go with Valuev by decision,whatever type it is.
     
  5. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chagaev was a hugely successful amateur, but never looked very impressive at the pros. He still beat Valuev by rather easy decision, but almost got robbed. Since I scored Holyfield-Valuev 118-110 for Evander (I don't give pity rounds, Evander did better in 10 rounds simple as that), so I don't give a flying f*ck about any more piece of **** called 'Valuev fight'. Why watch Chagaev work hard to get robbed? I already know what's going to happen, a farely close fight with Chagaev landing the more meaningful blows, a bit closer than the 1st one, so these corrupt bastarts giving the decision to Niko boy.

    Seriously, now, it was funny when Donald and Ruiz were robbed, but after the Holyfield fight, I'm just ignoring this large peace of untalented meat.
     
  6. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, that's my only concern, that someone else with some clout gets in on the WBA merry go round.



    I am only slightly interested in the Valuev Chagaev fight, though, but not enough to look forward to it. They are both too boring in their styles, and with no KO power to speak of, neither of them. THis will be anohter snoozefest.
     
  7. Hax0rJimDuggan

    Hax0rJimDuggan It's me bitches! Full Member

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    I want both of these clowns to retire and go home.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Your're my main man on the General Forum this week, so i'm not going to fall out wth you, but what do you make of the fact that - i forget the exact number, forgive me - something like 40/45 ringside reporters found for Valuev? Including The Ring Magazine? I watched it, but didn't score it, and I was surprised by the anger surrounding this decision.

    Don't you think it genuinely didn't translate well on television given that the judges and press found overwhelmingly for the giant, and they were in the stadium?

    Also, I disagree with you that Chagaev never looked that impressive as a pro ;)
     
  9. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    chagaev had a prime?
     
  10. The Cyborg

    The Cyborg New Member Full Member

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    Valuev by a surprising stoppage :)
     
  11. Hax0rJimDuggan

    Hax0rJimDuggan It's me bitches! Full Member

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    Fixed it.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I personally think that good television image, offering all camera angles, can be better to score a professional fight especially a Valuev fight. The guy has a so huge back that 2 judges are usually unable to see any kind action most of the time. Now if a guy half as big lands a clean blow, it doesn't even move Valuev's skin, especially not his body, so how would someone from ringside being able to judge properly? Impossible. On my large screen, quality image TV, and always getting the best camera angle to catch 95% of the action, Valuev did absolutely NOTHING effective in the fight, while Evander at least attempted some effective work, and most of these horrible rounds went down as Evander at least landing SOMETHING. I use the same scoring system for every single fight, I feel I'm doing a pretty damn good job on the card and staying as objective as I can be. Come Valuev fights, I often had debates in the past, as with the same system I had Donald ahead of 116-112, same score for Chagaev, one round closer to Ruiz (1st fight). I was not alone who had Holyfield winning at least or more than 8 rounds. We were many.
     
  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yes.
    Alas it ended along with his Achilles tendon.
    He looked bad in his last 2 fights.
     
  14. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Valuev's power is average at best.He doesn't commit at all.
    I doubt he stops Chagaev,this is going to a decision.
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I hear you, but

    1 - The rules of boxing don't call for fights to be judged on a big tv, but from ringside.

    2 - Most proffessional opinions at ringside were in favour of Valuev. By a landslide.

    I don't doubt that Ring reviews big fights before printing scorecards and they didn't seem at all conflicted about finding against the American in favour of the Russian.

    Anyway, it's been a storm in a teacup that one, IMO.