If James Toney was fully dedicated

But who did he beat ?

yeah gets credit for being there , but the thread was about what he could have achieved. So much of the love for JT on here is based on could'ves and would'ves !

I love JTs style too but you can't deny he pissed a lot of his talnet away !

 

He was great for boxing he built up his fite's really well, and could back it up.

 

Well a lot of people thought he beat Peter. Anyway, I'm not denying Toney is a fat slob who made numerous errors in his career.

 

at the end of the day, discipline, like punching power or speed is something you either got or you don't. It's a talent in itself.

 

that's a big fat IF.

that's a bigger, fatter IF then James Toney.

 

and I'm not trying to deny James greatness brother :good

Its probably jealously , I'm a total gym rat but a shite boxer

 

Far as I know Freddie Roach has gone on record as saying James Toney is the most naturally talented fighter he's ever worked with. Born fighter was his words if I remember. A motivated Toney in the pocket standing and fighting is an awesome sight. Plus I really do believe him when he says he'd fight anyone anytime bottomline.

 

Toney and dedication just dont fit. He is what he is...

 

If Toney had stayed properly fit, he'd be a lhw now, maybe a cruiser. He is only a hw because of the extra bulk. If he had stayed fit and motivated through his whole career, he could've been really special. He still had a great career and is a top 100 ATG IMO, but he had all the skill in the world.

 

He would still duck the Klitschkos.

 

Toney has the skills & the chin to beat most heavies, a dedicated Toney would be tough for anyone to beat for sure.

 

people forget that despite his laziness outside the ring Toney is a two-time fighter of the year. With his skills and his willingness to fight anyone and everyone, he could have been a true atg legend.

 

He was amazing because all of his heavyweight size came from fat. He was/is short 5'9", and his bones and/or frame didn't increase in size as he moved up to heavyweight. He was just a small guy that gained weight (fat) and turned himself into a heavyweight. And he still fought so effectively and competed with natural big men.

 

Yeah probably, but then again he could make more money at HW and he could weigh 215-225 without being too fat.

I don't know if he could've beaten the Klits. I don't know if he had enough power and if he was big enough. they would tie him up when he got inside where he would need to be.

 

He'd have stayed around 220 after Holyfield and given Wlad pure HELL.