Michalczewski would have stopped Roy, no doubt about it!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Jun 13, 2009.


  1. rumour24tiger

    rumour24tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So what if Dariusz couldn't beat Jones? Toney, Hopkins were made to look average.

    Dariusz won his 2 belts before Jones was a light heavy.

    He earned those belts by outhustling dangerous Leeonzer Barber in an outstanding fight, and overpowering unified champ Virgil Hill in a brilliant performance. Anyone doubts DM's class, watch these fights.

    DM made good defenses such as Rocchigiani rematch (Rocchi a 2 weight titlist) which was another terrific fight, and DM-Dominguez-Perez was a mini-classic.

    All I'm saying is that DM had a worthy career as an elite light heavyweight. Solid wins over Toney-beaters Thadzi and Griffin, too. Stylistically he was kind of like Israel Vazquez, offensive jab, accurate right, good hooks inside - didn't stay inside too long. Methodical, in-and-out style based on solid pressure, strength, determination. Slow, but he upped the pace as the fights went on. It's a demanding style, and DM was badly faded from 2002 onward. If Vazquez would use a strong double jab like DM had, he wouldn't take so many sickening right hands, BTW.

    Would Vazquez be a bum, a loser, if he couldn't beat a phenomenon like Manny Pac -when they were at the same weight? Of course not.

    Too much stock placed in DM "struggles" with Hall and Gonzalez, when he was well past it. 2nd Hall fight, Dariusz got face injuries round one, bashed him up rest of the fight. Did prime Glen Johnson stop Hall, faded Hall? No! Gonzalez, Dariusz controlled and forced back with head snapping jab. Gonzo counters were weak and I can't understand how it was scored for him.

    If DM had lost to RJJ, he would likely have gone up to cruiser and gunned for his old WBO title. Perhaps against warrior Carl Thompson, or tall, tricky Johnny Nelson. DM would likely have won, his promoters had clout to get him ranked and have fight in Germany, could maybe have defended v big star Eubank - then on WBO cruiser scene - cue memorable fights for world title.

    Either way, it's a worthy career with genuine world class high points.
     
  2. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yea....maybe stopped Roy in the airport for an autograph. But not in the ring!
     
  3. mikeatris

    mikeatris SUPREME MATHEMATICS Full Member

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    Dat avi looks tasty :tong
     
  4. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Its actually a ****in joke that these guys never fought each other but no-one seriously believes DM would beat RJJ, I refuse to believe that ****.
     
  5. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Right there is were anyone that knows anything about boxing woud stop reading this garbage...Barber was a BUM, the guy was a club fighter before going to Europe and beating a couple of well over rated bums. I laugh my ass off ever time that a DM fan tried to sell Barber as some GREAT AMERICAN fighter..Its the same thing that Diaconu fans were tring to do with that Henry bum:patsch
     
  6. BITCH ASS

    BITCH ASS "Too Fast" Full Member

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    No way. This guy with too many consonants in his name is way too straight up.
     
  7. rumour24tiger

    rumour24tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Barber was not a bum. He was a big puncher, with a long jab, well conditioned. He beat a talented Anthony Hembrick, when Hembrick trained properly and was focused.

    Leeonzer wasn't well known, had to go to his opponents' backyards, but was coming on as a fighter. After the defeat, he took 4 years off, and so didn't fulfil his potential.

    Go and watch the fight, genius. It is a high quality, genuine world class fight. Michalczewski landing beautiful double jabs, Barber countering with big rights, uppercuts, straight rights. DM working his way inside, letting rip hooks up close. Both men skilfully setting up hard power shots, swings in momentum. Quality all the way.

    I refuse to take you seriously. If you half heartedly look at his boxrec page, having never even seen the fight. Why does barber have to be the "great american fighter" - i've said he's a good one. A good fighter, and a good win that ppl overlook or underrate.

    It's unbelievable how defensive some fans are, how hostile they are and how fvcking pig ignorant they can be over anything that didn't happen in their own land. WTF does diaconu have to do with this? heck, you read some shite on here.
     
  8. sidhu82

    sidhu82 New Member Full Member

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    How stupid are sum of you to say an atg like jones is over rated, are you fukin stupid did ur mum drop u on ur head. Roy Jones is amazin, i just wish he would retire so stupid people like sum u stop ripin him. U fukers need to have sum respect for a legend. Sum u should jst stay out ESB, or should get banned for stupid **** ur sayin.
     
  9. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are two RJJ's. The prime motivated Jones and the Jones that spent more time working on his jumpshot with the Palmetto Sundogs than seriously pursuing his boxing career.

    Jones lost his edge and to use the unmotivated Jones as any indication of how superbly talented he was is a gross miscarriage.

    I think Michalczewski was a helluva fighter but he was a bit too slow and easy to hit to deal with the prime Jones.
     
  10. rumour24tiger

    rumour24tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think Jones is too mobile and fast for DM. But I rate DM very highly. Persistent, fit, strong-as-a-bull pressure fighter with one of the best jabs in recent times.

    I think Jones is probably the best boxer of his time - but I think a good lanky southpaw with a long powerful straight left can knock him out. Liles could have givne him real problems (as he did in the amas), and if Nunn could have kept dedicated, if the Nunn of the Tate/Parker/Kalambay/Roldan fights had lasted, he'd have been all wrong for RJJ.

    Re DM vs "great Americans" - Hill will get in the HOF, not a legend but a man with an outstanding body of work, excellent mobility and a great jab. DM outjabbed, outfought Hill when Hill had WBA/IBF titles, after Hill had won big in Germany (Maske). A brilliant win for the Pole. For that, and some others, Dariusz deserves way more respect as a champ.
     
  11. JonesHagler

    JonesHagler Active Member Full Member

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    no i'm actually from Canada :blurp
     
  12. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    you know people blame jones for not fighting dm but when did dm ever call out jones? like never because he didnt want the fight. neither one of those guys wanted to fight eachother. but if they had fought, jones would have beat him. jones is simply more talented and dm dosent have the one punch ko power anyway.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Roy Jones is a sack of ****, and I for one, hope he makes the mistake of stepping into the ring withe the Mighty Adamek.

    :smoke
     
  14. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    You don't need one punch KO power to stop Jones.

    :smoke
     
  15. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    wel, your boy dm wouldnt stop him, not a prime jones anyway