Cotto weighed in@146 v Clottey - would TWO lbs less make him a walking corpse?

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  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Pac fought DLH at 147 because it was DLH. It was the payday of a lifetime in a fight that garnered worldwide exposure. When Oscar calls, you pick up the phone.

    Also, the weight issues with regards to DLH-Pac are signficantly different to the weight issues Cotto faces with regards to any potential Pacquaio clash.

    DLH's camp mis-managed the process of making weight. He came down too fast, and ended up weighing too little, too soon. The fact that he weighed in at 145, and his subsquent performance, shows how mis-manged that issue was.

    The metabolism of a fairly small 28 year old welterweight, who weighed in at well under 139 less than 3 years ago is going to be significantly less troubled by boiling down 2 Ibs, than a semi-retired natural 154 pounder in his mid-30's trying to make made 147 for the first time in 8 years.
     
  2. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If DeLaHoya was a corpse. He was a corpse for a couple of weeks. Because he was at the welter limit way before schedule a couple of weeks before.

    Hoya tried to match speed in his camp instead of utilizing his size advantage.
     
  3. SupraTT24

    SupraTT24 Heart Of A Champion Full Member

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    nope but PAC would whoop his ass at 147
     
  4. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    147 is the natural weight of cotto. certainly not for both dlh and pac. just compare pac in the dlh and hatton fights. pac looked more powerful, stronger and faster fighting hatton @140 than dlh @147. @144, pac will be somewhat in between but he still won't be at the level of 100% like in the hatton fight.
     
  5. eze

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    2lbs is killer.

    Look at Corrales and Castillo failing. It's a lot when you are pushing yourself already.
     
  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Yeah, I'm not suggesting that in every circumstance 2Ibs is an entirely insignificant amount of weight. The examples of Chico and JLC (and DLH) are extreme, those guys were fighting at an artificial weight they had no buisness trying to make at that point in their careers. It's not like Cotto is a natural 154 pounder struggling to make 147. He is a small welterweight who seems to have no problem making that weight, given that he often comes in under the limit anyway. In this scenario, 2Ibs is not going to be the difference between success or failure. It won't have any bearing on the outcome of the fight, IMO.
     
  7. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    dlh made the welter weight limit with still one month to go before the fight rather than make it at the last possible moment just like most fighter do. as a result, he and his team virtually shrunk him into a small welter and that's why he wasn't able to rehydrate back to his usual fighting weight. they made the mistake and they paid for it. unfair to blame pac for a mistake team dlh did to themselves.
     
  8. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Cotto struggled to make 140, thats why he moved up.

    Cotto already cuts 10+lbs to make weight.


    Roach knows this and this fight will be unbalanced if he happens at anything below 146/147.
     
  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    At the end of the day, if Cotto cant make a certain weight, he should not sign to fight at that weight... if he signs & loses then the winner should get credit.
     
  10. Richardmancini

    Richardmancini Member Full Member

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    anybody who has boxed before knows the last 2 pounds can be harder than the first 15.
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl And you believe that? GRIP *****!!
     
  12. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Should being the key word :yep
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Is this even humanly possible without eating excessively, pissing or shitting ? :huh

    This sounds like one for the mythbuster team.
     
  14. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If that's the case he needs to stop acting like a WW and campaing at Jr MW. And if he's a natrual Jr MW that means Cotto is holding an even larger advantage over PAC who really isn't even a Jr WW. And no one is going to "note" PAC as fighting drained opponents at the end of the day....maybe some salty fans of PAC's victims, but largely PAC is considered an ATG who accomplished near impossible feats. He'll never please everyone but no one ever does. How he'll be remembered is without a doubt one of the best who ever done this thing we all enjoy called "Boxing".
     
  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    It's true. But its exactly because of pissing, shitting, sweating, eating, drinking, wanking etc. that the body does change weight in a small but significant way over even a short period of time. Weigh yourself in the morning, then at night, and you will see the difference. It's supposed to be a variable of -2Ibs/+2Ibs either way, although its often as high as 4Ibs, supposedly.