Ali vs Wlad/Lewis/Vitali... how does he win?

You are wasting your time trying to talk sense to some of these Wlad fans Punisher. Ali is called the greatest because he could do it all. He could fight backward, side to side, forward, you name it. Wladimir just recently learned how to move around the ring. He couldn't deal with Sanders' speed and Ali is faster. Ali could jab with any heavyweight and if you don't have any head movement he would tee of on you.

 

Sanders would have knocked Ali out. Henry Cooper almost knocked Ali out! Angelo Dundee had to cut Ali's glove to give him time to recoup. Norton broke Ali's jaw, gave his Hell, Cooney knocked Norton out. Frazier gave Ali pure Hell. We will never see that fight, but Klitschkos keep beating all your heroes which makes you so frustrated that you just can't stand it. You have to make up imaginary fights to try for a win.

 

I hate everyone in the heavyweight division because they're so abysmally ****. Wlad is far superior to them all. So he's not beating up any of my heroes.

FWIW, Ali would have knocked Sanders, Purrity and Brewster all on the same night. Suck it up farm boy.

And I do agree with PP on that, Wlad would've beaten Sanders at his best, comfortably. Similar to how Ali at his best wouldn't have been decked by Cooper. Being green can make you reckless and feel invincible. And Ali wasn't the same fighter post-layoff [I don't care about when his big wins came PP, they only came in the 70s because the fights were THERE in the 70s. It's the best era of HW boxing in history] for his matches against Norton and Frazier. He was still a brilliant fighter, but in terms of speed and reflexes [his biggest assets], he was a shell of the man that fought Williams and Terrell and Folley etc.

 

LOL! No he would not. Silly children need to take boxing 101.

Prove it! Well, prove it.

In the meantime, Vitali and Vlad keep knocking out all your heroes. You are so very angry and frustrated. Let's see, you will post, Godzilla can beat Klitschkos next. Watch and see.

Klitschko’s _style_ could be impregnable, according to Emanuel Steward, who says, “For the first time I’ve ever had a heavyweight that I could always see weaknesses when I would train a guy to beat if I was ever in the other corner. Wladimir is gonna be the one I don’t think I could train no man to beat the way he is. I’m serious. I’ve never had a fighter – I went from Holyfield and all the guys I’ve worked with, never, Lennox – (Wladimir) is a very, very committed, very difficult to beat fighter. Because he won’t let you fight him. He makes you fight what he wants you to fight. But the biggest thing which I think people are not looking at is his speed for a big man. Tremendous speed.”

 

Puglisticpower made some good points to defend his opinion, but he got to understand size is a strength only to an extent. I pointed out clearly the times Wlad's size worked against him, yet most Wlad fans want forget about those times and concentrate on the fact he's laying waste to one of the least talented Heavyweight divisions of all time, not to mention most out of shape fighters I have ever seen. I could maybe pick out 1 or 2 Heavyweights I could see lasting 15 rounds without looking like a 300 pound fat kid after running up a hill to catch the ice cream truck.

I think Wlad is an extremely talented fighter, but his lack of toughness when things get rough and stamina issues, lead me to believe Ali would find away to beat him. I may be wrong, but I do believe the majority of fight fans would agree with me.

 

I agree with the poster.
Hate to disapoint some old boxng fans, but I don't see anything Ali could do to beat Wlad (the one that fought Chagaev). I don't even see speed advantage, Wlad's jab was awesomely fast in that bout.
He would keep Ali at the distance and would win by shut out - my opinon.
Just look at best of Ali fights and then switch right away to Wlad-Chagaev. You'll notice that Wlad's jab at least as fast if not faster than Ali's.

 

He said that because he's still training Wlad, wait until after he's done training Wlad then you will know the real truth.

As I said before to you farmboxer. I'm sure your girlfriend tells you your the best she has ever had in bed, but when you end up breaking up with her is when you will know the real truth. The samething applies to Steward and Wlad.

 

He very talanted without a doubt and I give him credit for his accomplishments but he's ruling a division it which, if you come in to a fight in good shape, it's seen seen as something amazing because most heavys these days can't even do that.

 

Vlad just keeps on improving..............

 

It's a damn shame when I look at the top 20 heavyweights in the world and my body looks better than 15 of them. I'm not saying your built is everything, but alot of times it shows who does and who doesn't put the time in at the gym. Guys like Haye and Wlad are the way Heavyweight champs should look.

 

Again... they're not my heroes. I only like good fighters.

The only thing "LOL" worthy is your claim that Sanders would knock Ali out. Boxing 101 obviously part of the education agenda in agricultural areas. Or maybe the pesticides are just accelerating your dementia? I know it's illegal to sell certain substances, but it's still available, you need to get some for your argument quick smart.

 

You mean to tell me that Jerry Quarry and Oscar Bonavena were better than Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson?

Or perhaps you're mistaking the cause for his decline, because things such as prolonged inactivity and deteriorating physical assets are tough for you to grasp? Take a look at: Roy Jones Jr, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker etc. What did they all have in common? They all relied on speed and reflexes. What else? Their performances visibly declined as they approached and passed 30 years of age. Of course, being the great fighters they are, they still beat great competition after this time, because great fighters have skill and intelligence that doesn't fade anywhere near as fast as athletic ability.