Who ranks higher all-time: John Ruiz or Vitali Klitschko?

Yeah, but Ruiz's wins are the result of CHEATING, Lance.

Excessive holding is ILLEGAL according to the basic rules of the sport. Ruiz did this in virtually EVERY fight he had after King manuevered him into contention.:yep

And faking low blows is just DISGRACEFUL. Ruiz didn't do this just ONCE, either - he did it in SEVERAL fights.:fire

And then there's the bogus draw against an ancient Holyfield and that gift decisions against Golota. :roll:

Just because it says "W" on that boxrec record folks doesn't make it legit!!atsch

 

Ruiz isn't a clubfighter, though. When he doesn't clinch, he does well against top 10 guys...just not as well as he does while cheating.

Without his jab n' grab, he would probably be somewhere in the top 10/15. He's a cheating fringe contender.

 

Ruiz easily. Even looking at Ruiz last two losses..Some say that he beat the giant so... Ruiz actually has a very nice resume.

 

Ruiz might one of more boring champs that I could remember, but honestly the guy finds a way to pull out a victory more times than not I will give him that. Every elite fighter cheats in some way look at Ali he held behind the head and also posted which is not allowed, Holyfield head butting, Tyson hitting with his forearm, Lewis leaning on back of the neck and head. I dont like Ruiz at all but the guy deserves some credit for being champ for as long as he was, and fighting some of the best fighters out there as his resume shows.

 

That's really a tough one but I am giving the edge to Klitschko.

 

You have a point. Without the cheating, Ruiz would've been a decent gatekeeper type.

Like I said, he's Rob Calloway with connections!:yep

 

ruiz has fought better competition and has argueably better wins, But Ruiz does not have 1 clear victory or KO over a top fighter. every single win was a close disputed decision or a DQ. Vitaly made it clear in his fights what the outcome was. In his Victories he punished his foes with fists, not with hugs.

 

Zak...Have you notice only YOU call it cheating, no one else does. Who you think REALLY won vs. Ruiz is irrelevent and isn't technically how MOST see it.

 

John Ruiz.

Reasons have already been stated.

 

All I can say is that Ruiz has beaten a great HW in Evander Holyfield.

 

Dempsey hits on the breaks.
Holyfield Headbutts.
Ali holds behind the head.
Foreman (1st career) pushes fighters around off.
Tyson uses forearms and elbows.
Lewis likes to hold and hit.

Though Ruiz doesnt belong in the above group, he holds excessively.

Not to mention that Wlad is now starting to jab and grab, jab jab grab, hook off the jab and throw his hand...etc

Ruiz may win ugly but he wins, and considering his wins are better than Vitaly's I'd have to say that he should go down as the greater fighter. Though head to head is different.

 

Ruiz was clinching/grabbing 250 times a fight! How can you compare that cheating fraud Ruiz with any of the fighters you listed? Good lord man, I don't think I can remember 1 Ruiz fight where he was the clear winner. They were mostly controversial or criminal Decisions.

 

Shannon Briggs with connections. Or Shannon Briggs with more connections, since Briggs clearly has quite a few as well.

DeVarryl Williamson with connections, perhaps?

 

I'll take Ruiz with wins over Rahman, Oquendo, Holyfield (even dropping the Warrior), Golota, and many would say Valuev. That's better than Corrie Sanders, Larry Donald, Herbie Hide and nearly beating (but retiring on his stool) Chris Byrd.