Name a fighter with an underrated offense/underrated defense.

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  1. EpsilonAxis

    EpsilonAxis HNIC Full Member

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    Offense: Bernard Hopkins

    Defense: Joe Calzaghe
     
  2. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Offense:Andrew Golota

    Defense:Antonio Tarver
     
  3. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Offense:Holyfield

    Defense:Roy Jones
     
  4. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Offense: Amir Khan
    Defense: Wlad Klitschko
     
  5. Lionel Rose

    Lionel Rose Guest

    Ola Afolabi.
    On both counts.
     
  6. SweetScience

    SweetScience Accuracy is the key! Full Member

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    Offense: Juan Manuel Marquez
    Defense: Manny Pacquiao
     
  7. dzesmin7

    dzesmin7 Active Member Full Member

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    Offense - Paul McCloskey

    Defense - Sammy Scaff
     
  8. DINAMITA

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    Joe Calzaghe's defence is awful!! Very sloppy, very easy to hit. Someone with fast hands (and don't say Jones, I mean someone who isn't a walking corpse) would have a field day with that stationary head.

    Offense: Pernell Whitaker (because he didn't have great power he is unfairly characterized as someone with no offence. The guy threw a hell of a lot of punches and was a terrific infighter)

    Defence: Manny Pacquiao (because he doesn't fit the mould of a slick defensive specialist like Mayweather or Toney, people think he has a poor defence - and maybe in the past he did. But recently, Pacquiao's footwork and movement have improved dramatically. He doesn't have the shoulder-roll of a Mayweather or the guard of a Winky Wright, but his movement alone now makes him very elusive and hard to hit - a bit like peak Roy Jones in that respect)

    I would add Julio Cesar Chavez to the 'Defence' question. There were fights where his game was perfect, such as the Rosario fight, where he managed to stand right in the pocket and hit without being hit.
     
  9. dzesmin7

    dzesmin7 Active Member Full Member

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    I despise the dude but c'mon he's undefeated, even if 95% of his opponents were jokes he retired undefeated.
     
  10. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Offense: Juan Urango
    Defense: Manny Pacquiao
     
  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe's defense was his offense.It's very hard to get off and throw against a fellow who is throwing 100 punches a round.
     
  12. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    Where did I say he wasn't undefeated??

    I said he did not have a good defence. And he didn't.

    He utilized other, stronger aspects of his game in order to win. His only defence was his mobility. A guy with fast hands would always give him trouble, because his guard is sloppy and his head movement is poor.

    Just because a guy is undefeated does not mean he is flawless. Joe had flaws. Defence was one of them.

    You guys really have to stop taking every comment on any aspect of a fighter's game as a personal attack. We're simply discussing fighters' attributes here.
     
  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Calzaghe had underrated footwork. People talk about his speed, work-rate, stamina, smarts or whatever else but rarely footwork. Watch his feet for a man of his size.

    Defence - Duran

    Offense - Hasegawa

    Two completely differing choices, but people think too much of Duran as a brawler, or a 'street fghter' as one poster described. Hasegawa because he flies under the radar completely and has some crazy moves.
     
  14. Archevol

    Archevol New Member Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe took too many risks to be called good defensively. He threw his hands ALL the time. I'm not sure you can even consider that he had a defense. He spent all the time he wasn't hitting trying to put himself in a position to hit. 8)

    But by the very nature of that offence, he was always on the move. It was so very rare that he got hit straight. Just nowhere enough to shake a chin that solid.

    So I'm in the great offence = great defence camp.