Who has the greater legacy: RJJ or Hopkins?

Thats because Jones had trained to move up. Hopkins couldn't make MW now without hurting himself like Jones did coming down from HW because he has now trained to be a LHW.

Yes their are different degrees of losses. There are different degrees of wins too...and Jones takes him there.

 

Hopkins has the better legacy, even though he was beaten by Jones. Hopkins was middleweight champ for 10 years, then he became the light heavyweight linear champ at 41.

But don't get me wrong, it is a very close call.

 

Taylor is draining to make 160. Jones never was. He would come in about 5-7lbs over the weight, not 13 like Taylor.

And Hopkins beat Trinidad and DLH isn't any better than Jones beat Hopkins and Toney.

 

Trinidad and DLH at 160 are not even remotely comparable to Hopkins and Toney, especially DLH at 160.

In fact, Hopkins and Toney are cemented ATG's, DLH and Trinidad are smaller 'marginal' greats.

 

Roy no damned doubt...Hopkins never got stopped but Roy did more big things at more weights. Hopkins best win was a blown up tito...thats pretty much it..and Tarver..the rest he was supposed to win.

 

Wrong. Hopkins first fight he weight 173...a year and a 1/2 later he fought at 166.....he didn't get down to the 160 weight class until a few months later. In case you didn't notice, he took 4 fights in a 3 month span dropping weight each time till he reached the 160 weight class.

That is NOT comparable to what Jones did.

Hopkins has Tarver and Johnson....Jones has Hill, Woods, Gonzalez, Tarver, etc. Jones has a better resume overall IMO.

You can argue Hopkins being smaller than Jones all you want, but I am not going to buy it.

 

What a moron atsch

Hopkins got humilitated by Jones when Jones was fighting with ONE HAND. Is that not more humiliating than getting knocked out by a guy while fighting at a higher weight class than the one you were born to fight in? Jones was the first man in over 100 years to move from 160 to heavy and win the title, Hopkins has done what, exactly? He wasn't even undisputed 160 champ until he was ****ing 37

Don't get me wrong I'm a Hopkins fan, but if you put B-Hop and Jones in a boxing ring 10 times, then there would be only one winner 10 times and that's Roy Jones. He'd clown Hopkins even now.

 

Good for you then.

 

In my eyes in this sport you could achieve alot in your prime but your only as good as your last fight.And you also have to take in affect who had better opp through out there careers(prime and towards the end) and who looked worse in defeat.At the end of all that you have to diside between a 4 division champ that beat Hopkins or a 2 division champ that whooped Tarver, that had 21 tittle diffences, and is clearly the better fighter now. My choice is hopkins by a very small margin.

 

Don't be a ****ing baby? For telling you "good for you" and agreeing to disagree like I said we should pages ago?

Wow....you're acting like the child not me.

 

Hey, whatever floats your boat. You want to be an ass after a cordial debate, so be it. That's your problem, not mine. :good

 

For one fighters age diffently.... For two in another post you discredited Roy's great win against Virgill Hill beacause you said Hill was "way past it by then" Hill was 34...... This is the third time ive asked you to explain your double standard.atsch

 

Hopkins has done a lot late in his career to enhance his legacy while Jones has diminished. Close call. Jones slightly.

 

I voted for Jones, I say he is still ahead of Hopkins, not by that much though. I do think prime Jones destroys any version of Hopkins though.

 

Hill defended the LHW title 19 times throughout his career and is a 2 division champion. He was a great fighter and a future HoF.