A Mayweather Revisionist's worst nightmare:

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Guru_Too_You, Sep 12, 2007.


  1. Theo

    Theo Active Member Full Member

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    Ricky had a fight signed, the mexican/texan in question (Lazcano). who had fought at both 135, and 140 pounds. eh had also had loosing efforts to both vivian harris (UD12) - before harris because dead at the weight, and fought JLC at 135 (UD12).

    After he pulled out only then did HBO offer Ricky Collazo, something ricky wanted but his team where well against, as he was already well in to his training camp.

    Anyhow, we are getting off topic, feel free to go back to righting all the worlds wrongs against pbf.

    /theo.
     
  2. Theo

    Theo Active Member Full Member

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    hatton ducked Mitchell? rofl, what else are you gonna come up with? Ricky must have been real scared watching mitchell do 12 rounds with Mike "no joke" Stewart..... slightly before Ricky Brutalised the glorifyed club fighter.

    imo, PBF hasnt ducked anyone, but i still dont believe he has fought the best at weights above 135.

    140, he didnt fight the best, I am not saying thats his fault, as with bussiness considerations , and general ducking a diving, lots of partys are to blame. But it is fact he didnt fight the best. it is also fact for any one with aclue about boxing that this was not 100% PBF's fault.

    Us fans can say what we want about ducking and such, but boxing polotics go much further than simple fear. welcome to the paperview age.

    /Theo
     
  3. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Career 135 fighter who could no longer make the weight. Like I've said many times before, a primarily lightweight fighter, one amongst Freitas and Diaz, two other fighters coming up in weight. And Lazcano was nowhere near as dangerous an opponent as Collazo. And if the fight was signed as you say, what happened?

    Funny, in the past you said that Collazo had just as much time training as Ricky did. But now that it suits your agenda, your tune changes.

    Just passing time while I'm at work partner.
     
  4. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    My point exactly. Instead of fighting the interim champion after they both fought on the same card in which everyone, announcners included believed to be a preview of a bout to come, Hatton took on Stewart rather than Mitchell. Sharmba had all the tools to give Hatton hell at 140 and he was the interim champion while Ricky was holding on dearly to his WBU title.

    Agreed. And the age of multiple titles of course.
     
  5. Theo

    Theo Active Member Full Member

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    Lazcano hurt himself in training, and had to cancel the scheduled bout. In my opinion if a guy cant fight at 135, then he is a 140 pounder. period, its not like he has been back down to 135 since he stoped fighting there, saying "Calling out 135 pounders" is a misreprisentation and bitter. be honest man, holy used to fight at cruiser weight, does that mean lennox beat up a cruiser weight? no he beat holyfield, someone who was a heavy. simple as.



    I have not changed any tune as far as i know, i am making no excuses here, Ricky struggled with collazo, period. stylistically Luis is a nightmare for rick, any southpaw is, rick just does not know how to fight them unless they are DAM slow.

    no tune changed here, the fact that hatton was already in camp when the opponent changed is FACT, am i using it as a excuse? no. Do i think changing weight was bad so late in training YES i do, but thats nothing to do with fighting at 147, its to do with ricky and team making a huge mistake in there preperation. SIMPLE they got it wrong by trying to bulk up and ruining hattons stamina in the process, in fact he hasnt looked right since, and frankly rickys weight is effecting him stamina so much so i dont think he has all the gas he used to anymore.

    me 2 ;)
     
  6. Theo

    Theo Active Member Full Member

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    unfortuantly your timing is rather out. mitchell had already been dispatched by Kostya by the time that Ricky fought Stewart.

    Stewart was rickys Eliminator fight to Fight KT. the IBFs reasoning behind this (rightly or wrongly) was the decent fight he gave mitchell (then mitchell getting knocked out by kostya, stewart was awarded another eliminator (this time with hatton) so he could have got a shot at the title.

    the progression went... Stewart ( IBF eliminator), Sucar Ray olivaira (to stay sharp, rick was the first person to stop the volume punching veteran), and then Koysta.

    When Mitchell was a Interim Champ Ricky was negotiating to fight with viv harris i think but i would need to check the timings, harris of course pulled out as he didnt want to get paid less than hatton (or i suspect get knocked the **** out, as we know he has since been exposed more than once).

    my point is man, i know you dont like hatton thats cool, i can appreicate that. hell different strokes for diff folks, but stop with the inacurate hate, just say i dont like him, he is not for me and frankly i aint convinced that he is that good.

    if people dont hold your opinion thats there problem, not yours.

    /theo.
     
  7. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    :good

    Fair enough, but the bout with Olivera could have been avoided. Had he fought Mitchell, as, if I remember correctly Sharmba was craving (good stylistic matchup and a BIG payday for Sharmba), then he would have been the interim champion and already guaranteed a shot at Kostya.
     
  8. Theo

    Theo Active Member Full Member

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    maybe, :)

    personally i was never convinced by mitchell, the guy didnt have a punch and at the elite level you need one.

    PBF isnt a massive puncher but he deffinatly has some poke about him, much more than mitchell ever did.

    I do think Mitchell was done by the time PBF fought him, however - who cares it was PBF's first fight at 147, why the hell not pick on a experianced practitioner whom is world class. even if he is long in the tooth your going to learn a little about the weight.

    boxers do that, hattons done it to death, PBF did it then, hell, nothing wrong with feeling out the waters, boxers have been doing it since the queensbury was invented.
     
  9. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    Trying to make sense of that gibberish isnt easy.

    The bottomline IS Tszyu ****ing RUINED Mitchell in their second fight and Mitchell QUIT in the first fight. That actually inspired him to NOT QUIT and take all the beating KT was dishing until it was stopped.

    Mitchell WAS SHOT after the second encounter and fought PBF at 47 and showed up lumped up.

    BTW, Tszyu was still the favorite in the second encounter, yet there were many Mitchell fans who watched there boy get annihlated:good
    I won a nice chunk of change myself on that one:yep
     
  10. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Floyd called Winky out before he signed to fight Baldomir too.

    Maybe it's you who needs to get your timelines straight :roll:

    Like I said, just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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  11. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I'm referring to the time PBF called Winky out at 154 when he was already at 147.

    I referred to a '140 fighter' because that was what clowntown9 was crowing about.
     
  12. IrnBruMan

    IrnBruMan Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yes, Mitchell fought the wrong fight vs Tszyu.

    Yes, he was picked by 7 out of 10 US boxing 'experts' to beat Tszyu in their rematch.

    And yes, he was shot when he fought Mayweather - after Tszyu destroyed him (which included being dropped not once, but 4 times, for the first time in 10 years), he decided to move up to 147 after having campaigned at 140 for 16 years, and struggled to win a 5th round TD vs Chris Smith.

    Hatton ducked Mitchell now? :lol:
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Are you serious? Or are you just trying to be funny. Once again, I never claimed that Floyd didn't call out Winky. Also ,you claimed he called out Winky after he fought Baldo, this article offers no evidence to back up this claim, the article was written before Floyd even fought Baldo. In fact, this article is full assumptions and lacks credibility. The article claims that the fight with Judah was in trouble after Judah lost to Baldomir, and that a fight with Winky and Oscar would never happen. Yet despite these bold claims(which the author offers no type of proof), Floyd signed to fight Judah on April 8 about a month or so after Judah lost to Baldo, and of course we all know he would eventually sign to fight Oscar. The author claims that Floyd recently started a campaign to fight Winky, but gives no dates. This piece proves nothing except that this author has a lot of opinions. If this article was in a newspaper it would be listed under the Opinions-Editoral section.
     
  14. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you're article didn't prove anything in regards to floyd ducking winky:deal next time you open you're big ****ing mouth know what the **** you are talking about.:lol:
     
  15. bigtime9

    bigtime9 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    that is right up buttley's alley:lol: