Should there be an end to catch weights regarding PACMAN??

I perfectly understand where you're coming, bro. If anyone of the parties feel uncomfortable on a catchweight, the fight should be held at all. I can agree on that.

 

look, we've went over this 50 times already, and no matter how many times you say you are right, it doesnt change the fact that you are dead wrong.

the rules (as I posted) dictate that the welterweight division has a limit of 147 pounds.
it does NOT say that the welterweight division has a weight limit of 145 pounds. It specifically says 147 pounds. I'll say it slowly for you. oneeee hundreddddd annnnnnnddddd fooooorrrrrrrtttttyyyy sseeeeevvvveeennnnn pppooouunnnddddddssssss.

A fighter imposing a lower limit in a title fight is wrong. Plain and simple.

 

maybe its a forward step, and not a backward one.

 

I agree with you that the weight limit is 147. That is the upper limit. But did you forget about the term "up to 147" which actually means there is a weight range and the weight range is 141-147. What you posted actually proved you wrong when you claimed that championship fight should be done only at 147. It actually says it can done as long as it is "up to 147." You refused to acknowledge this, Mr. Self-Proclaimed Caretaker of Boxing.

No one is actually imposing. It is agreed up through negotiations. As a matter of fact, Cotto proposed at his own free will that it should be 145. No one forced him.

 

This guy does not know the concept of range. Read the term "up to 147". It did not say "only at 147."

 

you are interpreting it to suit your agenda. Let me expand the language a bit to accomodate your disability.

The rules in existance permit a fighter in a welterweight title fight to weigh in at or under 147 pounds. Pac is requesting that his opponent in a welterweight title fight weigh in at or under 145 pounds. There's no other way I can explain this down to your level, so I'm going to leave it at that and go eat my breakfast.

This is like trying to describe the color blue to someone who has been blind since birth.

 

I am already losing my patience on you, Mr. Caretaker. i did not say the Pac's camp is imposing 145 as the limit. This is a contracted weight agreed upon at weigh in. Cotto and Pac can rehydrate to any weight they want after weight in. Since the contracted weight is 145 and falls within the weight range, it is perfectly legit as per the body's rules.

 

Get your facts right. Pac is not requesting 145. It was 143 but Cotto countered 145 as per his nutritionist's recommendation. And 145 was acccepted by Pac's camp. Wrong premise, wrong argument and conclusion.

If there was negotiation and agreement by both parties, no one is dictating to anyone.

Down to my level? You, condescending *****! What have you been doing, dude? You refused to accept you're wrong. I have proven you wrong. The material you posted proved you wrong and you partly accepted it by saying "I could be wrong."

I'm done w/ you. :hi:

 

reminds me of someone shouting "i quit!" 10 minutes after they just got fired.

 

I didn't get fired, idiot, I got tired of your non-sense.

 

actually, you're wrong. You're basing yourself too much on speculation. If the fight fell out because Cotto weighs in at 146 the commission might still not issue him a suspension taking into consideration that it was set at a catchweight. And the sanctioning body would definately not strip him for not making 145lbs. I think that this reponse from you shows that your argument is weak.

Saying that maybe the commission will suspend Cotto if he weighs in at 146 and maybe the suspension will be so long that maybe the sanctioning body will strip him of his title is beyond reaching.

In fact, if Cotto comes in above the catchweight but below the WW limit, the likely outcome is that he will only have to pay a monetary penalty, wether the fight goes threw or not.

Therefore, back to my original point, if both fighters are ranked, the sanctioning fees are paid, and both fighters weigh-in below 147, the title should be on the line. End of story. Other contract stipulations between the two fighters have no bearing as long as they are within the rules.

you need to deal with this fact. People are so scared of Pacquiao becoming a 7 weight champion that they will clutch at any straw to discredit the accomplishment. why? Its a great accomplishment, catchweight or not.

 

You've obviously never dealt with a state commission in the midst of a major fight falling out over a missed weight. I have. And I would bet my house that if the fight were to fall out due to Cotto missing the contracted weight, he absolutely would take a suspension. (see Castillo, Guzman)
Your "opinion" that a commission might go soft on him because it was a catchweight is merely a blind assumption based on nothing but your own nonsense.

And FYI, if pac wins he would be a 6.5 division champ, not 7.

 

your "opinion" that the commission would suspend him and that the WBO would strip him is based on nothing more than speculation. So thats nothing but the pot calling the kettle black. Neither the Guzman nor Castillo cases were set at a catchweight so you can't use that as a precedent.

And anyways i didn't say that the commission would or would not suspend him, I said you can't assume to know what they would do one way or the other.

I like how you sidetracked the issue though. And also how you added in that comment about Pacquiao never being a 7 division champ no matter what. It just demonstrates once again that your position is based on some kind of misplaced resentment of Pacquiao, and not on whats right or wrong in boxing. If that were the case then you would see that having the title on the line is fair game.

Sorry, but you are showing your true colours more and more...

 

spin....spin....spin.

Why cant you get it through your skull that this is not about Pacquiao? REGARDLESS of who is fighting, a title being on the line in a catchweight fight is plain wrong. And yes, I know it has been done before. That in and of itself does not make it right. History is filled with many wrong things that have happened. Its up to those that choose to see past these 2 fighters to the core issue to try and do something about it.

 

You also musta forgot that Oscar vs Pacquiao WASN'T A CATHWEIGHT FIGHT. In fact, I find it amusing that you scream that there must be and end to the Pacquiao catchweight fights, yet if the Cotto fight is contested at less than 147 it would be the first catchweight fight Manny has ever fought. Pac vs Oscar was at 147 pounds, and Pac vs Hatton was at 140.

Get your facts straight.