My Take on The 168 Pound Tournament

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  1. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wrote this for a website, but just wanted to share it here as well.

    Over the next year and some change it is Showtime’s goal to put on a 168 pound tournament that will determine who the best fighter is in the Super Middleweight division. First of all it shows that the 168 pound division has come a long way in a short time. Traditionally the super middleweight division borders that of the cruiserweight division in terms of being the most unpopular in the history of boxing. For example, it wasn’t until the last few years of his career did Joe Calzaghe, arguably the greatest 168 pounder in history, start getting respect for being one of the best fighters of this, or any, generation. With Calzaghe retired (we think, this is boxing after all), a group of fighters have a chance to take over the top spot in a now popular division. On paper the tournament seems like one of the best things to come along in boxing in a number of years, but is it as good as it appears?

    Tournaments are always tricky things to set up in boxing. So many things have to go right for every scheduled fight to take place. For example, two of the six participants in the tournament, Mikkel Kessler (41-1 31 KO’s) and Andre Ward (19-0 12 KO’s) have September 12th “warm-up” fights scheduled. How many times in history has a proposed “warm-up” fight ruined the mega fight it was supposed to warm-up in the first place? Ward and Kessler are tentatively scheduled to fight in November, just two months after this “warm-up” fight. So many things can go wrong. At the least one of the fighters gets a cut. A cut can take a lot longer than two months to fully heal. Perhaps one or both of them are in a lot tougher fight than they imagine, or worse, they lose. As we’ll discuss soon, a few other fighters are on stand-by, but this would not be the way Showtime would like their tournament to start.


    What if a fighter loses in the first round and says “that’s enough for me”? In no way am I suggesting any fighter is the tournament is a quitter, but what if a fighter gets brutally knocked out in the first round, what reason would they have to continue? Also, it might not be a fighter’s choice, but a choice of their management. The name that comes to mind in this scenario is Jermain Taylor (28-3-1 17 KO’s). Taylor, the former middleweight champion of the world, has come across some tough times in the ring lately. Taylor has lost three of his last four titles, including getting stopped in two of them. It doesn’t get any easier for Taylor, as he is scheduled to fight undefeated Arthur Abraham (30-0 24 KO’s) in his first round fight, scheduled for November 17. Abraham relinquished his IBF middleweight title to step up in weight and participate in this tournament. While Abraham has never really been considered a super middleweight, he boasts an impressive record of 14-0 with 14 KO’s when he has fought over the 160 pound weight limit in his career. In short, this will be a very hard fight for Taylor to win, and if he loses by KO, which he’s prone to do, who’s to say he won’t drop out of the tournament at that point?

    Did they get the right fighters to be in the tournament? In the other scheduled first round fight Carl Froch (25-0 20 KO’s) is scheduled to fight the largely untested Andre Direll (18-0 13 KO’s) also on November 17. Froch earned his way to the tournament with his TKO stoppage of Taylor in his last fight, but you can make an argument that there were more deserving fighters of the tournament than Direll, and maybe even Ward for that matter. On the outside looking in of this tournament are Sakio Bika, Allan Green, Lucian Bute, and Librado Andrade. Bika has been outspoken about not being invited to the tournament, saying he wasn’t even contacted. The rumor is that Green priced himself out of the tournament. Bute and Andrade have some unfinished business as they are scheduled to square off a second time on November 28. It’s this journalist’s guess that one or two of these fighters will find their way into the tournament before it’s over. One rumor already surfacing is that the event organizers would love to get the winner of Bute-Andrade II into the tournament. That would mean that at the end of the tournament you would potentially (assuming no draws, pull-outs, cancellations, etc.) have a unified champion.


    That takes care of addressing the potential issues with the fights and the fighters themselves, but what about the promotion and production of the tournament? I want this tournament to work, as I know most other members of the media and fans of the sport do too. But for it to work it has to be done right. Over the last two years you can make a very solid argument that Showtime has routinely put on better fights than HBO. However, the one thing HBO knows how to do better than any other network that puts on fights is promote and produce it. The 24/7 series is one of the best things to come along in boxing in a long time, and if Showtime can produce a show like this leading up to the matches it will go a long way to making sure this event is a successful one. Each fighter has their own compelling story that should be put out there before they all get into the ring. I feel Showtime lacks in this department, but this would be as good of a time as any to turn that around. Also, I’m a bit concerned with the promotion of the event. I know it’s still a few months before the first round fights are to go underway, but there is hardly any mention of the tournament on Showtime’s boxing website. They have two of the three super middleweight belt holders, two former Olympian stars, and two former middleweight champions. This promotes itself. I hope to not only see this on the website soon, but to also see posters, commercials, and fliers as well.


    Americans love tournaments. It’s why every March millions of us stay home from work to watch the first two rounds of the NCAA Basketball Championships. Again, this event basically promotes itself, and with just a little bit of effort I believe it can be a huge success.
     
  2. julianfoster88

    julianfoster88 Member Full Member

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    I think the tournament is missing some fighters Librado Andrade, Lucian Bute, Allan Green, and to make it even throw in either Balzay or Edison Miranda but I understand Andrade and Bute's committment to HBO but theres no reason not to have Allan Green in the tournament to say the least refer to it as the lucky 7 tournament or something this is a great tournament for boxing because the winner can come out as the unified champion and then fight Bute or Andrade, but overall a great idea by Team Sauerland and Showtime because now the super middleweight division is becoming a top division my only concern is throwing Dirrell and Ward out there in the line of fire too early because it can damage their careers in the long run if there fighting these veterans early
     
  3. Simon11

    Simon11 New Member Full Member

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    I love the tourament, but I think it would be better with a k.o system instead of the point system.

    If you would add 2 fighers you have:

    Quarter finals
    Semi finals
    The final

    But I really hope this tourement will work, then this is a big step for boxing.
     
  4. julianfoster88

    julianfoster88 Member Full Member

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    I agree its the best thing for boxing right now lets hope that there is a light welterweight tournament for Showtime next that would be brilliant since Showtime has all the light welterweights as well as super middleweights
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    The growth of the division is a story in itself. The first SMW champion was Murray Sutherland. He won the newly created IBF title in 1984. Murray was a great guy who would fight anybody. His resume reads like a who's who of top fighters from 160-175. Unfortunately Murray was never more than a high level gate keeper who lost all his big fights. http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=2629&cat=boxer

    Today we have some of the best fighters in the world all competing to be top dog in a very deep division. However, this tournament is fraught with potential problems, and even if it runs smoothly, it won't decide who the top guy is. Plans often fall apart in boxing, but right now Bute and Pavlik plan to meet next year provided Bute gets past Andrade again, and Pavlik gets past Williams. Barring any upsets or injuries the winner of Bute/Pavlik would have just as much right to call himself numero uno as the tournament winner.

    As far as competition between HBO and Showtime is concerned, if everything comes together with no injuries or really unexpected BS, the winner of Bute/Pavlik will fight the tournament winner on HBO, and in my opinion, that's not even debatable. The winner of that fight is #1.
     
  6. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    In a perfect world the tournament would go off without a hitch. Then the winner of Bute Andrade would fight the winner of this tournament, unifying the titles. But as I said, i seriously have my doubts, but part of it isn't so bad as I think the Bute Andrade winner may be in this tournament taking a place of one of the fighters that loses in the first round (in my opinion, Taylor).
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Assuming that Bute and Pavlik both win their next fight, it would make no sense at all for Bute to join the tourney. The scuttlebut is Bute/Pavlik at MSG next year. That is a huge pay day for both guys. Both have large fan bases that would follow them to MSG. They'd sell it out. Both would be hot from coming off good wins, so PPV numbers would be respectable. This fight alone would pay more than 2 or 3 fights in the tourney. Afterward the winner can post a routine title defense, and come into a mega-fight with the tourney winner fresh as a daisy.
     
  8. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I like to know is how is Bute has a huge fanbase? Imo Pavlik vs Andrade is a way better fight then Pavlik vs Bute. All bute does is move around the ring looking to box circles and try to counter while Andrade is all action that will be right in your face. I hope Andrade beats Bute in the rematch in which i Hope Arum Makes Pavlik vs Andrade at the garden.
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Pavlik/Andrade, and Steve Smoger refs it:yikes:yep:yikes
     
  10. JL Fighter

    JL Fighter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I stopped reading after "Joe Calzaghe the..." J/K
    Nice write up.
     
  11. Maxime

    Maxime Sweet Science Full Member

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    The reason for his huge fanbase is he started his career with 15 straight knockout. He was much more aggressive early on in his career. As the level of opposition went up. He started to become more defensive oriented. People learned to like his style/skills.
     
  12. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Green is ****. There's a reason right there.
     
  13. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bute fanbase is MONTREAL in Canada period.He wouldn't draw flies in Toronto or any other Canadian city outside Quebec.
    H probably draws in some obscure city in Romania as well,if that matters.
     
  14. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I heard Allan was invited, but he asked for a little more time to figure out if his shoes were on the right feet:yep
     
  15. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would be one of the best ****ing brawls of all time!!:D