How come Arreola wasn't complaining about the contract with Vitali?

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Arreola is a voluntary fight. It will sell out the Staples Center.

 

But he's the #1 contender, which means he's close to being a mandatory. It's a lot easier for the champ to dictate terms then, because if Arreola waited around for his mandatory shot, then he'd be forced to accept a 75-25 split.

That's the answer anyway. As long as he was offered something better than 75-25, it would be a no brainer for Arreola to take the offer, since he'd be forced into a worse split if he waited.

 

Simple Arreolas fat ass is a man. Not some big mouth kid trying to get a free ride. You are not a huge draw, you don't have a belt, you are conceived as an underdog. Then you do whatever you need to become the man. That is if your confident in yourself you can actually win.

 

1. We dont know what the contract are and if they are different or not.
2. Arreola signing doesn't mean he's not being ****ed.
3. There is also a possibility that the Klitschkos hate for Haye did influence the contract's condition.

 

good post

 

****ing hell. What's the obsession with contracts you know **** all about. It's pretty simple. Haye is a threat. Arreola isn't.

Is it going to be 3 months of this?

 

I usually don't bother looking at the individual rankings but if this is the case then it's an absolute disgrace

 

You say This BECAUSE Kessler is Joe Calzaghe's biggest win actually I dont know did Joe win B-hop...

 

becuase the Klitschkos are more than fair and Arreola believes in himself.

On the other hand, haye realized and accepted he would get knocked out and had to come up with plausible reasons to run from the fight, to fool the public which believed in him.. of course haye won't admit he would get slaughtered by the Klitschkos, he has to conceal that truth by playing the rayse card - whining about slave contracts, his back, getting paid, setanta, and that all along he really wanted Valuev more than Klitschko.

 

Rahman got paid. He didn't have to fight Lewis' half brother either.

 

Wernt you defending Sven Ottke on another thread...

 

Good god man.
A rematch clause is acceptable.
Being tied into a contract where your future for the next few years is controlled by the guys your supposed to fight is not.
Why can't you grasp that?

 

What made the Wlad/Haye contract fair?

Normally I would not consider a contract that stipulates a rematch clause against another different fighter to be fair.
Of course we are in a unique situation with having brothers as Heavyweight champs. They have been very clear about their desire to keep all the belts within the family. So we have an unprecedented situation leading to an unprecedented clause.
But how far can this be used as a justification? There is a sliding scale... first "You must also agree to fight him because he is my brother" then "because he is my close personal friend" then "because he is my stable mate" then "because my promoter demands it"
I guess it can be used as some justification, but only so much.

Then there is the justification that the Klits are the main draw, earn all the revenue, have earned their spot at the top. Haye is nothing and nobody. So they can dictate whatever terms they want and Haye can be considered lucky to get any opportunity at all.
Sure, it's true that Wlad held all the cards. But is that a real justification for putting in unprecedented clauses? Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.

The single most compelling justification is Haye himself. He said he wanted to fight both Klits. He made a shirt holding up both of their heads. He insulted them both. He got in both of their faces. He got in both of their ways while they were ding charity work. He claimed over and over that he wanted both fighters.

So in the contract, he was going to be forced to make good on fighting both of them. With the way he was running his mouth the contract was giving him exactly what he wanted.
So he painted himself into a corner and had noone to blame but himself. How can you complain about a clause which enforces something that you have been so loudly and rudely saying that you wanted?
Haye asked for it. Haye demanded it. Haye got it. Then Haye bitched about getting it.

So it looks like the unprecedented rematch clause was entirely justified.

The financial side of the contract is a different issue. It is hard to say what went wrong. There is an underlying rumour that Haye made a big miscalculation and wanted PPV sales in UK as opposed to a percentage of the gate. If this is true then again he has noone to blame but himself - the contract again gave him exactly what he asked for.

The question there is "is it true?"

I don't know the answer to that. Probably Chef knows. But I tend to think it probably is true. Why?

1) The Klits haven't gone out of their way to screw over fighters financially before. They were willing to fight in the UK if Haye could deliver a stadium (It would have been kind of hard to demand all of the gate then, if that was really their intention)
2) Haye fancies himself as a big draw
3) Haye fancies himself as a promoter

The only reason I can think that the rumour isn't true, and that instead it was a case of the Klits just giving Haye a bad deal, is the possibility that he has pissed them off so badly that they were abusing their leverage as champs.
It's possible. I know they wanted to punish him in the ring. But they just don't seem to do business that way.

Irrational Haye fans (like they are in short supply) think that the Klit's were scared, and so they wanted to make sure they got all the money in the contracts because they figured they were going to lose the fights and they would no longer be champs.
I am not even going to bother looking at that argument, because frankly anyone who considers it valid is too stupid to debate with.

In summary: it looks like Haye got everything he asked for in his contract with Wlad. As the saying goes "Be careful what you wish for... cause you may just get it."
Complaining about the contract afterwards? Just lame. Getting Valuev to comment on it? Pretty much a schoolyard antic (no surprises there from Haye).

It also looks like Haye has learned his lesson. No more requesting to get only the UK PPV. Forget about fighting the Klits.
Win a strap. Defend against Meehan, Ruiz, rematch Valuev. Rematch Ruiz. Fight Holyfield even. Claim that you have contractual obligations and mandatories.
When Vitali has retired see if you can get a match with Wlad then.

I think Haye bit off more then he could chew. He choked on it. Now he is taking an easier path. Which is a learning experience for a still young fighter. If only he didn't have such a big mouth then he wouldn't have been so publicly humiliated. Yet it has also worked for him in that he has got a lot of publicity, a lot has been written about him, and he may have talked his way into a title shot after all.

Normally this would be a case of just another noisy, mouthy fighter, playing the part of the bad guy so that he can get some cheap publicity and earn an extra big paycheck. No problem.

But his fans are amongst the most ****ed up and ******ed bunches of people on the planet. I am sure there are a handful of rational ones... but Jesus, you wouldn't believe it from reading most of the garbage on this site. I feel like putting up a thread "Are you one of those stupid Haye fans bitching about contracts... please respond so I can add you to my ignore list."