Will RJJ teach Anderson Silva a boxing lesson, or will Silva embarrass him?

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  1. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    That's a highly-naive and ignorant way to look at it.

    As 'striking' in MMA does not equate to pure-boxing (or even pure-kickboxing!)

    Neither pure-boxing nor pure-kickboxing transfer over with 100% complete translation (or anywhere near!). The way they occur inside their own rules is a different environment with a different set of variables.

    As great a difference there is in boxing & kickboxing. There is an even greater difference between boxing and 'MMA striking'.

    The ranges are different (something many people don't realize!!).
    The areas from which attacks come are different (you don't get nothing lower body in boxing & you don't have to deal with the same variety of strikes!).
    You can't go shoulder to shoulder in MMA like you can on the inside in Boxing with such ease -- you get clinched.. and then often taken down!
    There are no 8+ oz gloves. And these indeed make a HUGE difference with defence (not just for cagey fighters with a high guard like Kotelnik -- Khan, EAT IT BITCHES! :D -- or others like B-Hop or Winky with that turtle-shell like defence!... ; Floyd & James Toney could not use the Philly Shell with such ease in MMA -- never mind the difference in range & area from where attacks come -- but the absence of the gloves would be sorely missed.. especially in Floyd's defence!).

    Even the stances are different. MMA is more square on to defend kicks & takedowns... whilst boxing is much less square... back-foot is much further back to help generate more power & create more angles! If you have that stance in MMA, though, unless you have amazing reflexes and can switch the mili-second before someone attempts to shoot in on you... ,, you're going down with ease! if you're that far from square.. it's ****in' **** to take u down. be it by trip or by shooting for the double-leg.

    In boxing, You don't have to worry about a shin across the face, leg-kicks (which are deceptively potent & effective), clinching, takedowns, elbows, etc.... so you can duck & dodge... shoulder roll, etc at your will.

    In MMA, you gotta be special to be able to do that....! on top of being knowledgable & sound in ALL facets of the fight game (which would include clinch-work, wrestling & jiu-jitsu.. both top-game & off your back!).


    I could go on & on & on.

    And I've never FOUGHT MMA (not even semi-pro.. though maybe soon)! ha.

    But these are things which have to be understood & appreciated.


    While some 'casual' MMA fans don't understand this... I KNOW there is enough intellect on a place like eastside for many to comprehend this once informed & pointed towards certain differences... other than the obvious fact that Boxers train from an early age... every day... JUST THE ART of boxing.. whereas MMA fighters have to train so much more & have a variety of bases... few have boxing bases... and it's hard to make up all those years in such a specialized & intricate striking martial art... no less while learning other facets of the game like jiu-jitsu (which is not easy to pick-up for most people!... not everyone is BJ Penn).
     
  2. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Dont talk wet.

    Fedor is clearly the best MMA fighter that ever lived in any weight class... clearly, its not even up for debate.

    Next ?
     
  3. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    It's kinda funny. As most of the ppl I named as the best [mma]-boxers... are NOT near the best overall STRIKERS at the top-level of MMA!

    oh and while Anderson may be the best overall technical 'striker' in MMA at the moment.

    He hasn't actually faced great strikers in the context of MMA either, yet.

    No, I don't consider Franklin to be a good boxer (he's overrated... though I like his personality & often support him... that however doesn't mean his [mma]-boxing is not overrated! Even if a little deluded at times...!).


    GSP would be a better striker than anyone Anderson has faced to date, if that happens.
    Vitor > GSP as a boxer AND an overall striker.
    Mousasi is a very good striker, too, underrated & pretty young! I like him. Too bad he can't make 185 anymore -- though that don't mean **** if you don't follow MMA. So nevermind, me!


    I do think some of you need to see how good Anderson is in the context of MMA though!
    His accuracy & graceful style I'm sure will be appreciated by some. I may post vids later.
     
  4. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    Better yet how does Nick Diaz fair, I say Jones slaughters him quick. But Diaz has been saying he wants to fight Jones Jr
     
  5. steele311

    steele311 Wanna Dance? Full Member

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    I don't see this going very well for Silva, if it ever happens... which I don't think it ever will...
     
  6. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    yep, he is.

    Though, give it a few years and who knows... maybe it will be GSP or Machida ;).

    And Fedor CAN be beat.
    Though, funnily, by certain smaller opponents. Styles make fights.
    However, people are forgetting a lot of Fedor's game of late. They just see him off his back & his fast, heavy hands on the feet. They forget about his dominance in the clinch & his judo (which wouldn't hold vs. a top greco or wrestler), his top-game... that brutally accurate GnP from inside the guard & that crushing side-mount!

    but chea. That dude need to stop getting exciting and overhyping.

    Why don't we have RJJ fight Royce lmao... IN MMA.
    Royce can't punch or kick for ****!
    Though his kicks are hilarious!
    That would shut up idiots who think boxers would rule MMA on account of their hands.
    Remember: Art Jimmerson, anybody?

    [and- Royce can barely be called a fighter.
    His BJJ is NOT truly "GREAT" nor is he even a mediocre striker or wrestler!]
     
  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Diaz would get starched by most amatuers. I really do. His hand speed is beyond slow. Boxers would be able to see everything coming.
     
  8. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    Diaz would get cut within the first 2 rounds (he's renowned for it in MMA!).
    He does have a decent chin, though. He is of Mexican heritage :lol:!
    But Roy would paint his face red (with blood and with his own gloves landing over n over).


    Again, Nick Diaz isn't an idiot. He knows the chances are skinnier than a starving African child.... but he also knows it would up his profile immensely.. not to mention the pay day!

    [part of the reason he dropped that name is because he is not bound exclusively to the ufc like anderson is!... if nick wants to box, he can!... and already has done in the past.. low-key, though]


    as I said, it's all moot.

    as even from the main list of the best MMA-boxers i previously gave. NONE of them can cross-over to the top-level (i.e. top10 or even top20 in any weight). Arlovski could have if he had a good chin, though... and Roach rates him highly.. & has been his trainer for a long time n talked of putting him in vs. Valuev!
    ........& then a klitschko lmao
     
  9. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Every logical MMA fan knows Jones would destroy Silva in a boxing match, even at this stage. Just as Silva would destroy any version of Jones in a Muay Thai or MMA match.
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that there is a very live chance that Roy Jones can lose this fight. Jones looked like he had absolutely zero power against Calzaghe (save for a forearm knockdown), because Joe was leaning in with his arms down grinning and allowing Roy to tee off on him - to absolutely no effect whatsoever. Jones's power has evaporated, and Silva will like the majority of MMA fighters have developed punch resilience. In addition, Silva can strike with fearsome power and considerable accuracy - and at this stage in his career, Jones's chin is definitely suspect. Silva is also the naturally bigger man and will outweigh Jones on the night.

    The Jones of 2003 or before humiliates Silva.

    Any other top class boxer in that weight region outclasses Silva (Dawson, Hopkins, Pascal, Adamek, etc).

    But Jones is weak nowadays. He could easily lose this fight.


    If I had to make a prediction, I'd back Jones to win a UD. I still think that MMA fighters will have no concept of defence in a boxing ring, and Silva will be picked apart and outboxed by Roy.

    But, the chance is live. That must be acknowledged.
     
  11. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    This is stupid, this fight couldn't even take place for almost 2 years unless Dana White allowed it, which he.. won't.
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Silva will be absolutely humiliated and schooled if he steps foot into a boxing ring with a shot Jones. A prime Roy would have made him wet himself.:yep
     
  13. JohnAkiBoa

    JohnAkiBoa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    RJJ should beat him and making Silva look like a fool. Roy still got his skills but everything else is gone, legs, reflexes, cant pull the trigger anymore.

    I hope Roy beat that guy for good even thou I dont like Roy much.
     
  14. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly. Silva will be frozen by Roy's speed unable to get off and look like a deer in the headlights. Most of these MMA fans have never stepped foot in a boxing ring and think it's easy they and have no idea how fast a pro boxer is let alone one as fast as Roy Jones is. Speed kills.
     
  15. Combinaçion

    Combinaçion Active Member Full Member

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    Anderson's 'power' with his HANDS is a tad overrated, I'm afraid.

    Also, Anderson's work-rate is low. Calzaghe is in complete contrast to Anderson Silva as far as work-rate goes! Roy won't be outhustled and have to deal with the same level of speed.


    The Jones of pre-2003 humiliates EVERYONE in boxing around his weight-ranges in his time... & most people in history.. including many top 100 & top40 ATGs also! Remember, he's the main reason p4p started meaning something again.. n this time it stuck.. because he was THAT far above n beyond everyone else he met in boxing.

    If legacy depended solely upon performances in your prime. Well, then, Mike & Roy would certainly be t5 of all-time! Possibly 1 & 2! hahah.


    Top-fighters as low as 147 could outclass Silva. Even though he's 6"2!
    While He may be too tall for Mosley & Cotto.
    For Margarito & Cintron he's not! 154 upwards, they're big enough (though still quite a bit smaller in height & reach than Silva) to dish out some major schooling.


    He COULD lose. Though still super unlikely.


    They do have a concept and understanding of it. However it's not something that applies to their careers when they get in and do their thing! (as I already detailed in that post starting 'DINAMITA!' which you really should read as you sound like you could use the enlightening, my friend :) ).

    Defence without the gloves, though?
    That concept is present in MMA.
    Posting the hand on the forehead, eating punches on the arm & sometimes shoulders, head-movement!... it is there in the better well-rounded mixed martial artists.


    That's ALWAYS true with ANYONE.
    Anyone can get caught.

    Anderson isn't going to win a decision or even ever be up on the scorecards...

    (lol, not unless he lands a flash straight-left in round1 which does put roy on his ass... <--- then going into r2 he may well be up for a lil bit ;).. ).


    Anderson will NOT OUTBOX Roy.

    Anderson winning is one of those common rarities (oxymoron lolol but yes.. y'all know what I mean. those upsets.. which aren't common but aren't actually THAT rare... -- we get them from time to time.. someone gets caught. It only takes 1 on the button to put you down!)