Can Boxing Evolve and Improve Much More Technically Then It Has In The Last 70 Years?

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  1. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Yeah i understand and agree with you. But it just goes to show how good he is that he can win fights by doing that. I suppose it's whatever floats your boat and i'm a guy who loves pure skills. I appreciate all styles of fighter really as long as it's within the rules of the sport.
     
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    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Too many boxers making far too many technical mistakes. But the Pursuit of Excellance should continue!
     
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    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Mayweather pot shots because he is assessing the risk-reward ratio. He pot shots and then doesn't get hit back so he is still 1-0 up. He doesn't let his hands go, get caught 2 times and then win an exchange 4-2 (for example). When the opportunity to open up is there, ala Gatti, then he does so.

    People have to remember that Floyd is a natural counter puncher with a safety first approach BUT on occassion we do get treated to spectacles like Floyd-Corley. I find that fight incredibly entertaining.
     
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    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    You should have slapped him across the face and told him never to disrespect you in public again. :lol:
     
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    Yes i understand what your saying and why Floyd fights the way he does, he uses a style of fighting geared purely for the sport of boxing and he has done it well.

    He still could improve, he could work on raw punching power, and add that real ummppp to his style by going for it when he can, he has the skill and speed to do this.

    Yes it art watching guys like Floyd but when the end of the fight the guy you just beat hardly has mark his face and dosent feel tired then you know that whilst the style is engaging to watch for its techincal sweetness......he has nothing on it when it comes to SRR, SRL and little we pacman.

    BUT im not putting Floyd down.......becuase i honestly think he could very well put his B plus like performances into A star......by going for it not in a foolish way...........not many for example are going to Knock out Clottey......but he deffo could have gone for it more with Hoya and Zab Judah.
     
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    remember mayweather faced DLH at 154, and everything was in ocsars favour
     
  7. Black2023

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    I dont think the problem lies in Mayweather skill but his cherry picking of fighters and inabilty bar the Hatton fight in recent times to truly finish a guy off.

    Robinson, Leonard, Ali, Lewis, Duran or which ever true great were able to finish a guy off.....P. Whitaker took on fighters far bigger than he.
     
  8. Black2023

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    No its not, the objective is to win, and destroy your opponent, When you start to carry a fighter then its becomes dangerous for the fighter himself.

    If the ko comes early then take it.
     
  9. Black2023

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    True but he won by just one round, wasnt dominant........i think another problem is that Manny has taken the shine as he is even smaller and has crushed bigger fighters.
     
  10. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Pointless, were not talking about him fighting quality live opponents. He's fighting poor sub standard opposition and he's just wanting to blitz through them. Yes it's the main objective but sometimes it's a good thing to work in there. Perfect moves and get a feel for the ring not rush and tear.
     
  11. Black2023

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    I agree in terms of not rushing but if the knock out comes early then let it be. Dont take fights becuase you think it will give you rounds, take a fight becuase this guy is a step up or a fighter that will test me.
     
  12. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Well yeah i agree with you, problem is with BJ. Warren said he's still a baby and will brought along slowly. Really the injuries have sort of stalled any real progress he could make in gym or in the ring. I agree if the KO comes it comes but i worry sometimes with our young fighters that they want nice stats rather then learning experiences. If the KO comes take it but other then that go about your work and do the things taught. The opposition BJ been fighting is sadly poorer then you'd get in sparring.
     
  13. johna_83

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    This is another great thread Mandanda :good i only joined in jan this year so missed out on gems like this, bet this was the standard before the place deteriorated

    as for the topic, i think the problem lies with modern fighters not taking the time to learn the game and learn how to fight. the monotonous hours spent shadow boxing, perfecting the technical aspects of the game are a lost art, and this is why someone like hopkins continues to fight and embarrass younger fighters this late into his career. there's TOO much emphasis these days on fancy conditioning, flipping tractor tyres, hitting things with sledgehammers etc. don;t get me wrong this has a place in the sport, and is an important piece of the jigsaw....but it should always take a backseat to technical knowledge and actually learning how to fight.
     
  14. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Thanks Johna :good

    Totally agree with your post. BHOP says a lot of wise things in this video about him and what makes him the great fighter he is.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWpMWaAW4ZY[/ame]

    He talks about basics, he talks about not letting shots go for the sake of it. I always feel a fighter when not in camp should be perfecting new skills.

    Maybe like a couple days on footwork in different situations and just drilling it. Repetition works in all methods of coaching IMO especially with regards to muscle memory. You could work for a few weeks on refining and adding to skillset and then go into camp and work on tactical and physical aspects needed.
     
  15. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Thought i'd dust of this video. One of my favs

    I used the pivoting of the front foot the other week in soft sparring and the guy i sparred remarked on it and i said ''Charley Burley''. Boxing is a sport of inches and angles. Attention to detail is everything!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4&feature=related[/ame]