where do you rank floyd as an atg after lastnight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by larrysmith, Sep 20, 2009.


  1. levluger

    levluger Active Member Full Member

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  2. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Same as before between 35 and 40
     
  3. larrysmith

    larrysmith Guest

    out of 40 fights floyd fought over 135 8 times,,,jmm is the linear lw champ so he is a legit lightweight..what dont you understand??
     
  4. repsaccer

    repsaccer Aficionado Full Member

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    Anyone putting Floyd significantly higher on the ATG list after the Marquez
    fight must surely think that as long as Pacquiao beats a handful of forcedly
    ballooned up flyweights he will be number one on that same list ?

    :rofl

    Floyd put on a masterclass against Marquez, that's true. But don't forget
    Marquez was forced up in weight, was older slower and considerably smaller
    than Floyd. There was a reason Pretty Boy did not get on the scales on fight
    night; he couldn't have the fight discredited even more.


    The only thing PBF did was showcase his skills against an older smaller
    man. You do NOT get high on an ATG list by beating smaller older men to
    whom you hold every advantage while still feeling the need to royally screw
    them over at the weighing game.

    Floyd doesn't need to step up his skills. He does however need to start
    taking risks for him to be considered truly great. If PBF wants to match
    Pacquiao's accomplishments, he needs to fight all the way up to
    middleweight and do well. Considering the fact he has so far avoided even
    the bigger welters, he really needs a change of heart.


    I admire Floyds skill, talent, speed and fighting mind, they're among the
    best ever, but never taking risks and showcasing these skills only in low risk
    fights isn't a reason to place him very high on an ATG list imho.
     
  5. The Joker

    The Joker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How can he move up higher after beating a career featherweight a featherweight who lost to Chris John, John who had to fight Juarez twice to get a victory over him Juarez who is now 0-5 in title fights. No Floyd does not move up at all.
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I've read a lot of your posts since last nights fight. You're a complete clown with nothing objective to say regarding Floyd Mayweather Jr or Juan Manuel Marquez. I'm no doubting wasting my time by acknowledging your existence.

    Juan Manuel Marquez is a legit Lightweight, he is not a Legit Welterweight - like Floyd Mayweather. That wasn't so hard to understand now was it? Here's some advice for you. Pause and reflect for a moment. How in anyway will keeping your head firmly up Floyd's ass help you? It doesn't. If anything it just decreases any credibility you thought you had. Just take your head out of there, and don't be so bias. Talk about many fighters in this sport. After all, it is the sport you like, not just Money Mayweather?
     
  7. ej1002

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    :patsch:patsch
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Floyd Mayweather Jr has no case for being a top 20 fighter. His resume is relatively weak in comparison to his skill set, and that is as a result of his lack of ambition, not because the names have not been out there for him to fight. If he starts fighting and defeating the likes of Shane Mosley and Paul Williams then he will start to make ground.

    However, I just don't understand the mentality in stepping back. You look at Manny Pacquiao and he just keeps challenging himself. Every fighter is a bigger challenge than the last. Floyd moves up to 154lbs to take on Oscar, and the then he fights Hatton, who I felt lost to Collazo, and then a Featherweight. I don't understand the mentality.

    Perhaps you can explain it to me with a little bit of "OBJECTIVITY"?
     
  9. larrysmith

    larrysmith Guest

    addie you are clearly a floyd hater and you're still butthirt from last night..its ok you witnessed greatness be proud of that
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Your juvenile response was almost as predictable as last night's result. I'm not a hater, I'm just not in love with any particular fighter - only the sport itself. Floyd demonstrated some lovely skills, and it was even more impressive considering his lay off, but any fan worth his salt called this a mismatch from the outset. He did exactly what he was supposed to do, and another poster put it perfectly when he said, "I won't hold it against him, but I'm not going to polish his pole for doing something he was supposed to do". A great big man always beats a great little man, and the difference in size was evidence the moment the bell rang for the opening round.

    There are weight classes for a reason. Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Juan Manuel Marquez, among others, evidently found out the hard way.
     
  11. Critic

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    top 40-50. won against JMM proves nothing.
     
  12. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Co-Sign :deal
     
  13. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought the JMM fight is a tune up fight. How come one fighter's stock rises based on winning in a tune up fight?

    Hell, I expected Floyd to win by KO in the 4th round but he can't even KO his opponent.