~~~ABCDEs - Ranking puzzle...~~~

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Sep 25, 2007.


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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It was a tongue in cheek provocation! Just a bit of a laugh! That does not mean that there isn't a right answer! Of course there is! The questions themselves have a logical answer!:good
     
    Decebal, Sep 25, 2007
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  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I will post my answer in 24 hours!:D
     
    Decebal, Sep 25, 2007
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  3. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It comes as no surprise to me that those who have proved themselves best at predicting fights have got this right!:yep
     
    Decebal, Sep 25, 2007
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  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Hint: use logic and a systematic approach to find the right answer...don't simply use your gut instinct!:good
     
    Decebal, Sep 25, 2007
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  5. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    The questions themselves have several logical answers, not only one. There are wrong answers, but no single right answer. I, for instance, have C ahead of both people who could beat him. I'm just more impressed by the ability to beat the best and not lose to scrubs, which neither B nor D could do.

    In any case, there would be a flaw in any logical proof you could possibly try to use to get a "right" answer in this one, which is why I have to qualify this as to subjectivity.
     
    Brickhaus, Sep 25, 2007
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  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which is what I said, and I have seen his answer. Some may value C having the best win and NOT having lost to E more than they do D or B. Also, if C lost to B and D first, then got better and beat E then stunned everyone by beating A, while B beat C and D, then lost A and then E, I wouild move C ahead of him because he seems to be the better fighter NOW.
     
    kg0208, Sep 25, 2007
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  7. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Seriously tho....gotta agree with some of the others here. There are too many variables in rating fighters other than who would win or not.

    Are these fighters all in the same weight class?
    How impressive were their wins...or how close were their losses?
    Were their losses by KO or decision...and were any SD or debatable decisions?
    Are any on the decline?

    I could go on and on....like I said, when its mythical, and there isnt much to go on in terms of variables. You could speculate, but in real life, the answer may be different.
     
    sues2nd, Sep 25, 2007
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  8. Knucklez

    Knucklez New Member Full Member

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    A,C,B,D,E

    A Beat 3 out of 4 (with exception of C) 1st Place
    C Beat 2 out of 4 (but beat the best "A") 2nd Place
    B & D beat 2 out of 4 (but B beat higher ranks)
    B= 3rd Place
    D= 4th Place
    E Beat 1 out of 4 (which makes him the worst) 5th Place
     
    Knucklez, Sep 25, 2007
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  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Too simplistic!:good
     
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  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Any other answers?
     
    Decebal, Sep 26, 2007
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  11. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    I pretty much have to agree with kg and others.

    There are too many unknowns to have one right answer. Time of fights. Was C's win over A a lucky win, or was it a complete dismantlement. Same goes for each of the fights. At whose backyard were the fights? Which of them are fighting at their natural weight, and if not, then how long have they been there.

    All those factors are the ones I consider, when contemplating on a ranking. Shuffling the bones of wisdom is something I also do:spliff
     
    DanePugilist, Sep 26, 2007
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  12. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    24 hours has long past - post the decision, Decebal...
     
    DanePugilist, Sep 26, 2007
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  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Allright, allright! Here is my answer to this puzzle!

    Let me first say that this has little to do with practical world ranking of fighters...it's just a bit of fun and a tribute to our very own :happy :happy :happy ESB Rankings Committee!:happy :happy :happy
     
    Decebal, Sep 26, 2007
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  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Ok...this is how this thing works...Firstly, we use Occam's principle...keeping the number of awkward styles for the 5 fighters to a minimum.

    First, you have to work out why C cannot be first...If he were, he would still be beaten by B and D...but these fighters were themselves beaten by A...clearly, if C gets beaten by such fighters, he cannot be the best...the only reason he beat A was styles!

    Secondly, you work out that A has to be first...this is obvious...he was only beaten by C, because of styles.

    Thirdly, you have to work out why B cannot be last...B beats both C and D so he cannot be that bad...why argue that B has an awkard style for C and D, but not A? There's no point in complicating matters unncessarily (Occam's principle)

    Fourthly, you work out that E has to be last...the only reason why E beats B is because he is awkward for the style of B...he loses to everyone else, though...

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    Next, you have to work out that C cannot be second...C beats A because he is awkward for A! If he weren't awkward, but in fact very good he would beat at least one of B or D too! And then, he would no longer be second, but first. But we have already established that C cannot be first. A is first!

    We use the same argument to establish that B comes before D...the reason B gets beaten by E is that E is awkward for B...if E were in fact better than B, E would beat either C or D as well. But he doesn't, so he is not better than B. But B beats D! Sure, because he's better!

    If C cannot be second, and B is better than D, then B has to come second!

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    Next, you establish that C has to come after D...not the other way around...it checks out! D beats C! Not the other way around! Also, fewer awkward style complications this way! C is not that good...he beats A only on styles...

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    :good
     
    Decebal, Sep 26, 2007
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  15. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Good explanation and analysis from the facts you represented.
     
    DanePugilist, Sep 26, 2007
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