A 38 year Vitali throws over 800 punches in 10 rounds !

Vitali is ****ing amazing.

I really don't see any HW in the history of boxing beating him unless his shoulder goes out or he gets cut.

 

That wasn't a prime Lewis, was it? You and I both know that. And no, he didn't beat Lewis, the record books say Lewis TKO6. Lennox retired for a reason, he was past-prime, un-motivated and found it hard to get in shape.

Again, that wasn't a prime Lewis was it? That was the same Lewis that turned up in the Klitschko fight, old, un-motivated and out-of-shape, yet Rahman managed to spark him and do something that Vitali couldn't.

The Mercer fight was an off-night, and also a few years before Lewis really hit his peak. This was the Lewis that was more aggressive and took risks before Steward turned him into the almost complete HW he became.

Because he managed to kick his arse into slightly better shape and get back his crown. Nevertheless, Rahman was never anything more than a B level heavy anyway with power, and if Lewis didn't lose his concentration and get caught with that silly shot, he never would of lost in the first place.

I love the way you seem to slate Lewis for fighting Tyson there, who did Vitali fight in between 2001-2003? That's right, Ross Purritty, Vaughn Bean and Larry Donald.

Because he came in overweight and underestimated Rahman, and he got caught with a silly shot from a big puncher.

Spare me the biblical ****.

Wishful thinking?

Ali was way before his peak in the Cooper fight. Nevertheless, Cooper hits harder than Vitali. Yep, I just said that.

You just said it was 'wishful thinking' to think that Ali could beat him. Make your mind up. How on earth is he going to cope with a guy like Ali dancing around him for 12/15, creating angles and firing combinations he won't even be able to see. How is Vitali with his woeful timing going to manage to time the heavyweight who was like a lightweight on his feet?

And Vitali didn't finish Timo Hoffman. What's your point?

Why is it 'too convenient'? He didn't hit his technical, physical or mental peak. It's not 'convenient' at all, it's the truth.

Why are you talking about Riddick Bowe? :huh

Why are you talking about Andrew Golota? :huh

Okay, I'll change my statement. He has about 5% chance of beating most of those guys in their primes. Happy now?

 

If you can give me a logical reason why you think he can beat the likes of a prime Ali, a prime Lewis or a prime Tyson, I'm all ears.

Ali would embarass himself. There you go, that's one heavyweight that he wouldn't be tough for.

You have a fair point Carlos, saying he can't beat Johnson may of been a hasty one. And that's probably because Johnson wasn't a true heavy, and was starked by a middleweight (albeit an extremely powerful ATG one in Ketchel).

However, Johnson was a defensive genuis and Vitali's timing is very bad. He couldn't land on Gomez for about 7 rounds, so how is he going to land on Johnson? Not to mention Johnson countered the jab better than any HW ever. If Vitali lands big, he would probably knock Johnson out, however Vitali doesn't deliver his power with anything like the velocity or brute strength behind it that he used to. Not to mention he's slow.

 

That was not the reason. Lewis retired because had he stayed, he would have to fight Vitali KlitschKO. He did not want it. Nothing to be ashamed of. Lewis just knew he could not compete with Vitali any longer. He saw the new King.

 

Yeah, you're right, that's it, nothing to do with the fact that Lewis was 38, been a professional for 14 years and active in boxing for over 20.

So what age were you expecting Lewis to box until? 40? 50? 85? I can't wait till Vitali retires, then I'm going to claim that he ducked Deontay Wilder, just as you claim Lewis ducked a rematch.

And when you all say 'No, it's because Vitali was ageing and past his prime' I'll dismiss it and say 'Nah, he just saw a new king in Deontay Wilder and ducked him'

 

Lewis was 37 the same age as Holyfield when Lewis beat him.

 

No arguements?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

 

Still old, still active profesionally for 14 years, and still active for 20+ in the sport boxing. Yes, Holyfield was past-prime. But Lewis dominated him. Like Vitali dominated a similarly old, but more unmotivated and more out-of-shape Lewis. Oh no wait a minute, he lost.

 

You have no arguments, Tommy. Age did not stop Lewis from fighting Holyfield.

Lewis is a smart guy. He saw the new King is Vitali and left. There is nothing to be ashamed of. It makes Lewis look even better. He knew what was coming.

 

Like I said, when Vitali retires, I'll say he ducked Deontay Wilder and you'll have no arguement. Answer my orginal question, how long should Lewis of kept fighting on for then? Lewis was an active professional for 14 years, Vitali with his 4 year lay-off has managed 10. We'll see if he can go to 2013/14, shall we?

 

I was impressed. I wish more HW would show the type of dedication to staying in shape like he does the division would be much better if they did. I take my hat off to Vitali the guy is amazing.

 

Vitali has not retired yet so save your words for the more appropriate time. Nowadays your assumptions are just irrelevant. Vitali will not retire in a near future, Tommy.

 

Vitali always looks gassed, haven't seen him slow down though, I just figure he's a tired looking guy

Looked fantastic last night though, it's a damn shame there aren't any active greats to challenge him. Would be nice to see just how much he's capable of.

 

You still haven't given empirical proofs for what you're claiming. In a nutshell you're saying "this would happen"...Because i said so.

Unlike you , i'm not claiming to be 100% certain. The creationist vs atheist analogy was very legit considering that you made the same errors in this response too.

You're just an arrogant & susceptible fan.

 

I've just told you I'll change my statement, and say that Vitali has about a 5% chance of beating Ali. You want a break-down on that fight? Is that what you're actually asking for? Because I don't see you giving me reasons as to why Vitali can beat Ali.