If Haye beats Valuev, he should be moved ahead of Vitali in the HW rankings

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  1. moneymatt

    moneymatt Active Member Full Member

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    Valuev is regarded as the #3 Heavyweight in the world and Vitali hasn't fought anyone that has anything near the resume or accomplishments of Valuev since coming out of retirement. Valuev, if anything, has fought and beaten great competition at Heavyweight. therefore, David Haye will be the #2 Heavyweight in the world if he beats Valuev. Do you agree?
     
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  2. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    go now.
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  3. Locke

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  4. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He had the chance to fight for the #2 spot but he backed out...
     
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  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting point. Beating Valuev would be better than any single accomplishment of Vitali's. I'm pretty sure if someone beats Wlad, they get to be put in the number one spot automatically. So it's sort of the same concept. I don't know the answer.
     
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  6. philby

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    Grow up newbie!:lol::lol::lol::oops::oops:
     
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  7. moneymatt

    moneymatt Active Member Full Member

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    Vitali has beaten bums since he's come out of retirement. Valuev has wins over Ruiz, McCline, Sergei Lyachovik, and many other decent names. If Haye beats him, that will by far be greater than anything Vitali has done since coming out of retirement.
     
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  8. mr. magoo

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    I for one, do not consider Nikolay Valuev to be a top 5 man anymore. He hasn't scored a decisive win nor even a knockout in years, and arguably should have lost both of his last two fights against thoroughly diminished versions of Holyfield and Ruiz. Additionally, by the time he faces Haye in November, he'll be 36 years old and nearly a year removed from his last match...

    If Haye's fight with Valuev is going to make any sort of impact whatsoever, then he's going to have to win in extreme fashion. Taking a split or majority decision isn't going to cut it, as there have been a few fighters who arguably did the same, and of course Chagaev who DID do the same.

    I also disagree that a victory over Nikolay should boost Haye ahead of Vitali in the rankings. Klitschko has convincingly managed to stop three top raters, including a titlist and an undefeated prospect in their primes. Haye hasn't done dick since ascending to the heavyweight ranks, except beat an old journeyman. The Valuev fight would be a decent win, but not nearly enough to eclipse anything that Vitali has done since his return to the ring.........
     
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  9. Black

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    People who think it was cowardice to not sign an insane contract are just haters. Haye will beat Valuev, then he'll be on better footing to negociate with a Klitschko. Whichever one he ends up facing will get beat.
     
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  10. TommyV

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    No. It would be a good win should he KO Valuev, but his value isn't in-depth enough to jump ahead of either Klitschko.
     
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  11. WiltonRoots

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    Where do these Haye fans come from? And how old are they?

    someone close this thread.
     
    WiltonRoots, Sep 27, 2009
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  12. cilldara11

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    Sam Peter, Gomez and Arreola were all top 10 guys were they not?
     
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  13. Locke

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  14. WiltonRoots

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    I'm British and I can only apologise on behalf of them, Locke.
     
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  15. moneymatt

    moneymatt Active Member Full Member

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    But none of them had resumes like Valuev. Gomez beat no one. Arreola beat no one. Samuel Peter had some decent wins, but none of these opponents compared to Valuev in terms of resume and accomplishments. Valuev is far more proven and accomplished that any of Vitali's opponents post retirement.
     
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