also k1 is not pure thai boxing.....most of the best fighters are european(dutch usually) and thai is mixed with boxing and kyokushin karate
no his master of space and distance comes from soviet style boxing.... i had trained with russian coaches, most of things taught always had to do with distance make the other over commit, stepping in and out.... this has nothing to do with kick boxing...even in his kickboxing fights, he still use this in and out approach, makeing small angles.... i had trained with russian and romanian coaches before....almost all the gif's put up were moves that they would teach.... the first one where he jabs, then takes a little step and tries to knock arroera's left down and throws a right after that....felix savon does that move..... the whole high jab, then right to the body from the outside is one of the most taught things in that school of boxing, also throwing that half hook/half straight from the outside after takeing a step to the right is very common as well. watch a lot of old school soviet amauters, they often tine lean out of a punch, while takeing a little side step to the left or right.... there is nothing exotic to me about what he does.... i have also trained with canadian/hispanic coaches and yes it is not something they teach, but if you went and train with some russian coaches you would see this stuff is not karate lol what it has in common with karate is the in and out movement
Well really on the most basic level timing is timing and spacing is spacing, so I'm sure his days as a kickboxer helped develop his impeccable control of distance; but they soviet style of full contact (misleading name as it is kicks above the waist) at that time was really more based around scoring points with your kicks; the punching was more of a means of placing the guy where you want him or distracting him. But if you watch his kickboxing fights, he isn't as good at controlling distance as he is now; I have to agree that it was the soviet boxing program, followed by his work with Manny that helped him more in that aspect. Again though, any sort of sport that involves hittig and avoiding is going to help, so Im sure that his days as a shiny pants kickboxer helped form his spartial ability that was later honed by the soviet boxing program. It certainly didn't hurt.
Karate sux and would be a footnote to martial arts history if not for all the Yank soldiers that brought it back from Japan. All other countries styles of martial arts **** on karate which is a martial art for poseurs and ***gots
Kickboxing is gayer than a handbag full of rainbows. That **** Vitali did is for schoolgirls. Boxing is the best sport for footwork and controlling distance, end of story.
Hey dabox - I appreciate your responses to this thread. Receiving insight from posters such as yourself is exactly what I love about ESB.
Strategically their approach is the same. Stylistically it is also similar. Head up, always judging the distance, timing their shots, trying to sharp shoot, pulling their head back and using the foot work to avoid punches rather than blocking, straight shots etc etc
wouldn't it have been drilled in to him to forget all that stuff he learned from kick boxing and just learn boxing?
Vitali is a great fighter regardless of fighting style. He makes Lennox Lewis look greater by the day.