What Does Williams Have That Pavlik Hasn't Seen??

85 punches a round

 

yeah it was close by the time it ended but i believe it really wasnt close on the cards (or at least as they saw it)

 

yeah man. and honestly, these two have ALOT to prove. moreso than the other fighters (understanding that the tourney is huge for all the guys). aa is still an unknown quantity and jt...well we all know about his recent fights.

i say aa is an unknown quantity b/c his resume at mw is kind of thin (not trying to stir up any reason why :yep) and this is a big step up for him. the fighters are bigger and better than anything he's really seen so its gonna be interesting to see how his skill set translates to the heavier weight and stepped up competition. i'm more excited about this fight than anything this year outside of kp/pw

 

What happened against Miranda and Taylor is that he outlasted both and BOTH Miranda and Taylor are known to have poor stamina. Williams doesn't have poor stamina and is very active like Pavlik is. This is a case of who's faster and who can overpower the other, Pavlik is definitely the one with more power but isn't faster.

Pavlik is a predictable fighter, there's nothing "odd" or confusing being in the ring with him, what he does can be figured out before he throws, all Williams has to do is keep Pavlik moving while landing his own. If Williams decides to stand in one place and give Pavlik the position he looks for then it will be impressive if Williams can handle that power. Pavlik's power is world class, that can't be denied, same goes for stamina. It's skill and speed why I pick Williams to outland him and make him miss.

 

There was no "outlasting" done against Miranda, for one. If you actually watch the fight, you'll see that Miranda was getting backed up from the opening bell, and Pavlik pretty much shut him out across the entire fight. He landed the cleaner, stiffer shots; and the punishment accumulated to the point where Miranda just could not keep going. Pavlik won that fight on all counts, hands down.

Williams may have better stamina than them both, but he certainly doesn't have any where near the durability, strength or power of either of them at 160. Miranda took a fierce beating over those 7 rounds, and the only reason he wasn't punched through the ropes was because he had enough power to get Pavlik's respect once in a while. Taylor survived because he has a good boxing ability, and made Pavlik pay for not picking his punches. That forced Pavlik to fight intelligently.

Paul Williams has neither of those things. He is not a counter-puncher, a slickster or a mover; and he is not a brawler who gives out and takes in hydrogen bombs. He just does not have the tools to stop Pavlik from stepping in that ring and running him over.

This idea that Williams has some kind of Hopkins-esque boxing ability is a total myth. Williams does not turn people; nor does he box and move. He swarms people from range and stops them from getting off. Against Pavlik, he has none of his usual advantages, and the fact that he's in with someone who won't say no to a war only compounds his difficulties.

 

EVERY BODY picking Pavlik (except ONE dude went for UD, and I can't recall who that was) picked Pav to win by KO again...and most likely sooner than he did last time.

I think a lot of people minds were conditioned (think JT's "controversial"..i.e.close decisions that went his way) +(the fact JT was UP on the scorecards when KP dusted him in the first fight)..to think that IF it went the distance, JT would likely win. All we'd seen of Kelly to that point was Blastin' dudes out, he NEVER HAD TO BOX before that fight, atleast on that level. However, as he showed, it did not mean he couldn't.

EDIT: Yeah, lmao. I got to start readin' the whole thread before I post! LOL.

 

Your gonna be shocked come December.

 

Oh yeah? :bart

Pavlik in 4 rounds. :deal

 

I agree dat pavlik wil win but 4 rounds.... doubt it m8

Whitgift is a Gay skul :good

 

This is why Pavlik get's hated on this board because his fans make up to be some kind of huge one punch knockout monster when he is not. If you think Pavlik is gonna win fine, but saying he'll win in 4 rounds proves what kind of homer's he has on his side.

 

If I didn't watch the fight I wouldn't comment on it. Pavlik backed him off from round one and slightly hurt him with a body shot, though in round 3 it was Pavlik who was rocked by punches from Miranda and looked like he might be in trouble soon. The Miranda fight was competitive while it lasted till Miranda obviously got tired. Lewis pointed out immediately after a minute in the first round that Miranda clearly looks like he suffered to make weight for variety for reasons he could see in the ring.

Yes, there was "outlasting" when two guys band on one another early only to see one fade and get KO'd as he clearly got tired you know that guy got outlasted. Unless you think Pavlik out-skilled him then that's your opinion and I don't agree with it. He was overpowered and outlasted.

That's the point, you DON'T know if he has the strength and this fight is a test. No one knew that Pavlik could hit as hard as he did till he CONFIRMED it when he stepped up and still hurt top opponents with his power punches. This is a major step up and a perfect test to show if he can bang hard or not, if not he surely has the stamina to outwork him and so on unless he gets overpowered and blown out in a few rounds.

Pavlik was out of it against Taylor but Taylor didn't have the stamina to finish him, when he got back up he was still out of it and could barely stand straight, Pavlik just faded and was outlasted like Froch outlasted him as well.

Seriously, since when does Pavlik fight intelligently?, the guy's one-dimensional and a TWO HAND fighter, left and right, that's it. The reason he got far is power, stamina and chin. Those three can take you far even against far more skilled opponents like Taylor.

As I said, we have to wait and see how he decides to perform in this one. For all we know he could go in stand toe and toe and be the one to hurt, back off Pavlik. Anything is possible in boxing like it's also possible to see Pavlik blow him out in one round or two.

I never said Williams has anything like Hopkins. Hopkins is a special type of fighter, I won't compare him with anyone else, he just has his tricks in his blood, hard to find others like that in the sport especially at age 44.

I think Williams will prove to have a good chin and good power to compete with Pavlik and stop him mid-rounds. That's what I THINK, I know Williams hasn't proven and so on, this fight is a good enough fight for him to show what he has. Pavlik already showed what he has against Miranda and Taylor, now it's time to see how Williams does it and I predict he will be more successful.

 

That's exactly what I mean when I said he outlasted them. It means he took what the had to offer but they couldn't take what he has to offer which is why he overpowered them, handled them completely and finished them off.

I just don't think he will be able to handle Williams who will prove he can take Pavlik's punches and keep throwing back. Those other guys broke down from Pavlik's punches which is WHY HE OUTLASTED them. I'm not saying he outlasted them by being a heavy bag that took over when they were tired, hell no, they got tired throwing and TAKING punches.

 

Please show me a post where people say he is a one punch KO artist? He is a finisher. He has sparked guys in one, Zertuche, but not often.

 

6 foot

southpaw

100 punches a round

can pitch from the mound

do the cha cha

outragious wingspan

Humongous reach

can fight different ways

all adds up to, too much work for KP