The George Foreman who lost to Ali vs the Mike Tyson who lost to Buster Dougals

Surprisingly a great post. Good find with the article.

The thing is, I was speaking in a Rating term Foreman didn't earn that shot really. We can't say he ducked Tyson, but Tyson was evidently fearful and had zero intentions of fighting Foreman. The money was there, but others well tell you Foreman never deserved and Tyson wasn't scared. All the evidence and accounts say the opposite, though. If the money was there, there's really no excuse other than Tyson intentionally avoided Big George.

You do realize the story behind the Peralta bout? Foreman's cornerman and Saddler told him to pick up the pace around the 9th round. THey said, "It's the last round... Go get em!" Foreman gave everything he had in round 9. Once his corner told him there was a round left he was exhausted and pissed off. They didn't want to lose his invincibility aura while wanting to test him too.

 

Yes but Arum was promoting George. At that point Tyson just got out of prison. He wanted the titles. He made 20 million fighting Peter McNeeley. He didnt need Foreman for anything but a belt, but Foreman lost. There is a magazine I believe it was in 95, I still have it somewhere and it has all the posturing by both sides. I think the fight was actually closer to happening in the 90's before Tyson went to jail and while George was not connected to Arum.

 

Wrong. The money was there. Politics and promoters weren't. There are tons of accounts on the subject from Goodman, King, Arum, and Foreman. Holmes is a totally different style matchup. The money was much more for a Foreman vs Tyson bout than a Holmes one... so why did that one happen. Honestly Foreman was better in his comeback - you're obviously playing part as a big Tyson fan or a Foreman hater for saying Holmes was a heck of a lot better in his comeback. Talk about hyperbole.

 

It could have happened in the late 80's, but Foreman really didn't have a strong claim to earn that shot.

Tyson lost, and it still could've happened in the early 90's but that would be less likely to happen.

Foreman won the title and was talking a Tyson storm after the Moore and Schultz victories. Foreman still had the WBU after the Schultz stripping. Besides, Foreman may not have been stripped if a Tyson fight was proposed.

Tyson came back and signed a 5 fight deal. He wanted no Foreman, and lined up non-threats as his opposition.

You honestly think Tyson would make more against McNeely than Foreman? :rofl

The money was there, Tyson just didn't want Big George.

 

Well lets post those accounts up. In my opinion Holmes was better. Just beating Mercer eclipses anyone Foreman beat.
Do you think Holmes really would have had problems with the likes of Axel Shultz or Tommy Morrison? In retropsect I could see Foreman having problems with some of the fighters Holmes beat, especially Mercer. Fact is George was carefully matched, much more than Holmes who had to take fights that stylistically werent the best for him.
Im not a Foreman hater, I like George and I think he showed a lot of courage in his comeback fights. He took a lot of beatings, some paid off and some didnt, but overall he was a tough guy, but his skills were clearly not what they once were, and to me his whole second career was a big carefully calculated exhibition.

 

Mercer > Moorer?

Can't say I agree with that especially looking at their talents and abilities as fighters. Moorer beat Holy if you've forgot. Schultz would've been tough for an aging Holmes but a much better matchup for him than Foreman. Morrison could've arguably blown Holmes out, but I think had the tools and pressure to bother an old Foreman. Mercer was perfect for Holmes because he was tough but easy to be out-boxed. Didn't bring enough pressure or foot-speed to the table really. Morrison has the power and style to make Holmes look really bad (Knockdowns/KO, etc). Foreman did okay, but Morrison fought a complete backwards fight. Impressive that a brawler/slugger felt that much threatened to hit and move. For Morrison's style, I think it's safe to say he effectively ran against Foreman. Surely he out-boxed him, but he completely reverted to trying to capitalize on the slowness of the aging Foreman.

 

When was Holmes knocked down besides Tyson? Mercer was beaten by Holyfield in a very close fight, and the Moorer fight was just as close and Holy was having health issues at that time. My point is more top level fighters would have given Foreman a much tougher time than Holmes due to their styles.
Chris Warren, shut the hell up.:dead

 

Tell Tyson s a chicken **** to his face,please

 

This is all just rumor and speculation though. No one actually knows what kind of preparation Tyson had for this or any other fight except the people who actually worked with him. There were always stories of his galavanting and friction in his training camp even under Rooney, but it's only made a persistent issue here simply because he lost. As far as him supposedly "looking flabby" (to quote Rooney), he actually looked even chunkier in a few fights with Rooney, including his title winning fight with Berbick. Neither his weight nor his appearance here were anything outstandingly different from previous fights.

 

So? How is that relevant? That should further boost Foreman's legacy. He was a belt-holder and doing better than he should've been. Moorer is better than Holmes best win in Mercer. The way Foreman won isn't relevant either. He out-smarted him, and set him up. Holmes could outbox Mercer. Do you think Mercer would beat Foreman, too?

The fact that at 48 Foreman beat Briggs who actually gave Lewis problems is enough to show that Foreman's comeback reign was much more impressive than Holmes. Just the Moore and Briggs fights - add the rest and the impressive 20 or so KO streak and the other fighters he beat (Even the disputed ones) It's miles difference. You said Holmes comeback was much more impressive. That's ludicrous.

And how was the Mercer vs Holy fight closer than the Holy vs MOorer fight? Moorer is a better fighter, and Moorer beat Holyfield in a close and perhaps disputable decision. Holy beat Mercer out-right in a non-disputable decision. Really holding on to straws now.

Yeah, Tyson fans can go overboard. It's like one day he's this invincible monster that's the GOAT and untouchable, but 6 weeks later he's past his prime. It's silly, and over-inflated due to his dominance against his opposition and certain opponents. Of course, Tyson is and was a killer - but that doesn't translate a killer to everyone. Especially in a sport where styles make fights. Tyson fanatics usually say he hit harder than Foreman too. By those are just the pre-pubescent youtube commentors you see. Yes, Holyfield confirmed that Foreman hit him with the hardest shots he had ever been hit with on Foreman's Ringside on ESPN Classic. We're talking an old Foreman here, too.

As for Tyson and Foreman. The fight could've happened many times. The money was there, and there's no doubt that it would have been a superfight, especially won Foreman was champion. This fight could've reigned in Tyson loads of money in a big way like the ones he had with Holyfield and Lewis. But people argue he didn't need it. Yeah, maybe he didn't need an extra belt slap. But in terms of public interest and a business sense, it made a ton of sense. Tyson just didn't want any part of Foreman... and who could blame him?

:rofl

Funniest post of the year.

 

in primes though im saying tyson becuz tyson has the strenght to hold his own vs forman and tysons hella fast

 

I say Foreman. When Mike Tyson comes in, George is there waiting.

 

Foreman starting calling out Tyson early in Foreman's comeback, after he had a handful of fights. George wanted a big money fight against Tyson; that was why he was making so much noise about Tyson. He was trying to get the public's support in helping him (Foreman) get a shot against Mike Tyson. Foreman was bowling over tomato cans and calling for Tyson. Foreman was nowhere near the top 10 at the time.

And Douglas wasn't fat and sloppy against Tyson. He was 231lbs!