I was replyin to a post about Floyd in another thread, and I just noticed his record at welterweight is this: 1 Sharmba Mitchell 2 Zab Judah 3 Carlos Baldomir 4 Ricky Hatton 5 Juan Manuel Marquez He fought the first three guys and then he was the lineal welterweight champ! :roll: If the Pacquiao of today were presented the same opportunities he'd be linear welterweight champ too, and maybe comparisons with Hank Armstrong would have been stronger. The only guy among Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir I can see troubling Manny would be Zab, and even Floyd had his rough spots with him early on. So at this point, in Pacquiao's second fight at welterweight against Cotto he'd be close to matching the risks Floyd took at 147. Dehydrated dela Hoya should probably equate to Mitchell. I see Cotto as a bigger risk than Judah, and Baldomir...well, let's just say Judah plus Baldomir is just a tad riskier than taking on Cotto. I mean, I can see Pac doing to Baldomir what he did to Oscar and Diaz. I think it just needs to be said what Floyd's record at welterweight really is. He has made two lesser-weight fighters Hatton and Marquez come up to welter, fought a recently-minted welter one fight removed from a Kostya drubbing in Mitchell, fought his greatest threat in Judah, and clowned his ass to a boring decision win against slowpoke Baldomir. People need to call him out to take on the top welterweights, not lighter weight guys. His record at welterweight couldn't even hold a candle to that of Cotto's or Mosley's. Heck he hasn't even fought the Quintana's, Cintron's and Clottey's at welterweight. What's up with that :roll:
Agreed with most of the above except: I mean, I can see Pac doing to Baldomir what he did to Oscar and Diaz. I dnt think Pac has the power to ice Baldomir but definitely grind out a UD
Well, I can see Pac doing to Baldomir all night long what he was doing to Oscar before the corner stopped it.
Judah was THE RING #1 welterweight when he was fighting him. Baldomir was THE RING welterweight champion when he fighting him and even after one sided beating he was ranked on the 1st place in the welterweight ranking.
Didn't you read what I posted? I said Judah was actually the biggest threat Floyd faced at welterweight. As for Baldomir, did you actually think so highly of him or did you just enjoy the fact that he was the lineal welter champ at the time Floyd fought him?
I seem to not have explained my point satisfactorily for your taste. No one is questioning whether Judah was ranked what at welter, or Baldomir being the lineal champ. The point is that Floyd became the lineal welterweight champ after three fights at welterweight. Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir. If you're strictly looking in terms of plain accomplishments this is a big big thing. When you look at what's out there in terms of quality of opponents at welterweight this is just more or less equivalent to what Pacquiao will be accomplishing when he goes up against Cotto in November. This from someone who is not even a real welterweight, and who Floyd wants to pick on for his next fight.
Dunno, man, I see a lot of people pissing on Zab, but let' be real, he was the... THE champ. People like to knock Floyd for the Zab fight--and I'm not a Floyd fan, and my posts will back me up on that--but Floyd beat BOTH the real champs @ 147, in a row, and that deserves a serious measure of respect. Now, where Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Williams, etal, fit into that is up for debate...
floyd one of the best ever, his resume at welter is just supremely mediocre. and he goes about it the right way as well, making sure there are as many words as possible when he speaks between welterweight and mayweather win two from cotto, mosely and williams and he will have a very real argument to complete his transition from atg to goat