Mayweather: "I got turned down by Shane my whole career".

pngo · Oct 9, 2009

Pimp C said: ↑

Shane isn't the welterweight champion that title has been vacant since PBF retired. What part of that don't you understand?:-( PBF has more of a claim to that than Shane does based on the fact he was the champ until he retired.
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Please.

Concrete · Oct 9, 2009

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/Mayweather-Sosa-Result.php

Sharkies Machine: Mayweathers Dreams And Reality

Floyd Mayweather vs. Victoriano Sosa
(30-0-0-20 KOs) (35-3-2-26 KOs)

By Frank Gonzalez Jr.

20.04 - Saturday night at Selland Arena in Fresno Ca., undefeated, Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather successfully defended his WBC Lightweight Title taking on gamely Dominican, Victoriano Sosa.

Theres no denying it, Floyd can fight. His defensive skills are masterful. The way he uses his shoulder, like a shield that blocks punches is remarkable. His jab is accurate and effective. Whether you like him or not, Mayweather deserves credit for his ability to box, to hit without being hit. Unfortunately, Floyd has hand problems that have forced him to rely more on jabbing and finessing his way to success than by power-punching his way to glorious knockout victories. Floyd is like a modern day Sugar Ray Robinson minus the power and the fan base. But Robinson had a charisma that appealed to fans across the board. Mayweathers skills far exceed his charm. Other than referring to himself in the third person during interviews, he does seems less arrogant these days.

Victoriano Sosa is a very good Lightweight who came to fight. He wasnt just some stiff, there to pad Floyds record and collect a payday. His best chances against Mayweather would come from his power punches. He had lots of energy and took Floyds best shots, showing a good chin. His flashes of aggression made for some entertaining rounds. The problem was that Sosas timing wasnt very good and for all his efforts, Floyds defense was a puzzle Victoriano couldnt solve, hence his accuracy suffered. He only connected on about 20% of his shots, while Floyd was hovering around 55%. Floyd circled and worked behind his stinger-missile jabs most of the night, taking a few rounds off midway into the fight. That was when Sosa won a few rounds. Sosa connected with a few power shots and was busier than Mayweather between the fifth and seventh rounds. By the eighth round, which I scored as even, it was a close fight.

Sosa dominated the action in the ninth and tenth rounds. I wondered if Floyd was starting to get tired since he was doing less at a crossroad of the fight. But he must have been saving his best for last as Floyd took over from the 11th and dominated the seemingly spent Sosa in the 12th to wrap up a UD 12 victory.

Judges Scores:

Lou Filippo119-109

Chuck Hassett118-110

J. Woodburn118-110

All for Mayweather.

Sharkies Machine -- 116-112 for Mayweather.

(The Punch stats were so unbelievable-- I didnt bother posting them.)

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Since Mayweather is so highly regarded by the established boxing media, at the top of their Pound for Pound (P4P) lists, expectations run high and many probably expect Floyd to overwhelm every opponent since hes supposedly so great. That is not reality. Like fellow P4Per Roy Jones Jr., Floyd wins mostly by Decisions. Since moving up to 135 from 130, I expected Mayweather to be a bit more powerful at Lightweight but hes yet to KO an opponent in the 135-pound division. Was he stronger at Super-Feather or is it his hand problems? Like Jones, Mayweather always wins. But unlike Jones, Floyd takes on much better competition.

Mayweather is more a Technician than a Tiger. He breaks opponents down by process instead of by force. But he can be forceful, as demonstrated by his utter destruction of the dangerous six-foot tall, Diego Corrales. But since Corrales, Mayweather hasnt won a fight in spectacular fashion but he hasnt lost either. Floyds style of fight may not be as exciting to watch as say, a brawling Ricardo Mayorga knocking out a Vernon Forrest; but if you appreciate the Sweet side of the Sweet Science, you must be impressed with Floyds finesse in the ring.

I feel cheated that Floyd never fought Acelino Freitas or Joel Casamayor before exiting the 130 division. Talk about it swirls around but I dont expect that Freitas people want to risk a loss and all his fame and glory back home in Brazil, where his boxing glory has made him many friends in the advertising industry. Those reasons may be a two-way street.

Its expected that eventually, Floyd will face IBF Champion, Paul Spadafora or WBA Champion, Leonard Dorin. According to Floyd, neither man wants to fight him.

Most Champions do want to fight the best out there and move towards legendary status. But the people who make those choices are the Promoters and Managers, not the fighters, regardless of what you hear them say during post fight interviews.

When the Managers see a fighter as a meal ticket they are afraid take a chance against the best fighters, who might beat their man end their gravy train ride. They instead opt to squeeze as many mandatories or safe fights for as long as they can get away with it.

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Floyd talks about future match ups with the likes of Oscar De La Hoya, Ricardo Mayorga and Kostya Tszyu but I cant see him beating any of those guys any time soon. DLH is too big and too skillful himself, Mayorga is just too vicious (ask Vernon Forrest), and Kostya Tszyu does many things Floyd does only he has big power to do it with. Tszyu might be interesting and if Mayweather is as great as he says he is-- it could be a great fight. The question becomes, when?

In the near future, Id like to see Mayweather fight Leonard Dorin (WBA), Paul Spadafora (IBF) or Artur Grigorian (WBO) and unify all the titles-- if hes capable of doing so. If he fights any more non-champions, he should at the least go after Juan Lazcano, ranked #1 by the WBC, or Stevie Johnston, ranked #2, who I always felt Floyd side-stepped in the past. Johnston is probably old enough for Floyd to beat easily these days, if hes as good as hes billed to be.

I think Mayweather has the right stuff but is still somewhat unproven, at least in terms of being considered one of the best P4P-ers. Unless of course, being a P4Per means doing what Roy Jones Jr. does-- just winning against lousy opponents-- all the time. If thats the criteria, Floyd is already ahead of Jones. Mayweather may dream that hes one of the best P4P fighters, but the reality is that hes got a lot of hill left to climb. Because having great talent isnt always synonymous with being the best. You have to put that great talent to the test against the very best before you can toot your own horn in self-proclamation. Im always wary of guys who talk a bigger game then they fight. I wish Floyd well in his quest.

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Pimp C · Oct 9, 2009

pngo said: ↑

Please.
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Ahhhh Shane isn't the WW champ the title is vacant has been since PBF retired:deal

Concrete · Oct 9, 2009

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=95&more=1

Floyd Mayweather Jr: All Questions Answered

02.11.03 - By Frank Lotierzo: This past Saturday night, I watched the Floyd Mayweather-Phillip N'dou lightweight title fight on HBO. After watching the Juan Manuel Marquez-Derrick Gainer fight, all Mayweather and N'dou had to do was engage in one exchange, and it would seem like "The Thrilla in Manila." And you know what, it almost turned out to be just that. What a terrific fight!

N'dou showed tremendous heart, will, punching power, and good skill. There is nothing he could have done or tried that would have carried him past Floyd Mayweather
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. The problem N'dou had in this bout was that he was the one who was sharing the ring with Mayweather. Mayweather was absolutely brilliant. He showed incredible boxing skill, speed, power, chin, desire, conditioning, strength, and heart.

No matter what N'dou did, Mayweather had an answer and them some. In this fight, Mayweather out boxed, out thought, and out punched a very good and determined fighter in Phillip N'dou. If there were any Mayweather doubters, this performance must silence them for the time being. What possible questions could there still be lingering about Mayweather?

Mayweather changed his style and tactics three or four different times during the fight. He boxed when N'dou wanted to fight, he fought when N'dou wanted to jab and pace himself. He went to the head, he went to the body. He led off with a lead right uppercut to start one exchange and ended the fight in the seventh round with a flurry of three straight right hand leads. Please make sure you contact me first, the next time you see a fight ended with that sequence of punches. Not only was it beautiful and unique, it was devastating!

For anyone who has recently read me, you must know that I'm last on the bandwagon when it comes to leading the charge calling a fighter great before he's really been tested. In my opinion, many fans are to hasty in calling a fighter/athlete great, or declaring him the best ever before his career has started to wind down. However, in the case of Floyd Mayweather Jr
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, I think it's safe saying that he is already a great fighter and will most likely retire as an all-time great.

Mayweather answered the questions I had about him. Going into his fight with N'dou, I somewhat questioned his physical strength and punching power. I thought maybe he was a little too light in the rear end to go up and fight at 140 or 147. I no longer have those questions or doubts. In N'dou, he took apart a very big strong lightweight who came in the ring weighing 147 pounds. All questions answered about strength and punch.

I also questioned his chin. Well, N'dou landed some right hand bonds against Mayweather's chin. He didn't move or flinch. In fact, he didn't even seemed bothered by them. This kid has some chin, and he is much stronger than he looks. I have no doubt that he can fight at 140, and probably 147 down the road. Not a doubt. He has the speed and the skill, now I'm convinced he has the strength and chin.

Another thing Mayweather demonstrated was good stamina. Make no doubt, N'dou was not only throwing many power shots, but also a high volume of shots reaching 100 in the fifth round. This is something that apparently Mayweather had no problem with. Not once did it seem Mayweather needed a breather. Once N'dou was slowed and started picking his spots, Mayweather raised the rent and started picking up his punch output.

At this time I'm willing to say that Mayweather will adapt to 140 and probably clean out the division. I know he didn't clean out the lightweight division, but I'm convinced he is the best fighter in it. Mayweather is a fighter that everyone knows has boxing
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skill, but when you couple that with everything else he can do, you've got some fighter. I look forward to his next fight with great anticipation.

The bottom line with Floyd Mayweather is this. N'dou made him fight in every style possible. He made box, punch, move, and defend himself. And Mayweather passed with flying colors in every category. Mayweather met every challenge and scenario and had the answer. Mayweather has arrived!

Here is something that I've yet to totally grasp. What's a better testament to greatness? Winning because you're supposedly so good and haven't really been tested like Roy Jones
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, or winning a tough fight in which you've shown all your skills and demonstrated character and toughness like Floyd Mayweather?

Writers Note

I thought Derrick Gainer's showing against Juan Manuel Marquez was reprehensible. How can a fighter who was a title holder, and is fighting for another put forth such a terrible effort. When I think of the fighters throughout the years who have spilled their guts out in the ring trying to get a title shot, and never did. It seems there just isn't any justice in the world. What is it exactly that Mr. Gainer was trying to do? Was that boxing? Was he trying to set something up, or waiting for Marquez to make a mistake? I haven't a clue what Gainer was thinking during the fight, but I know one thing, you have to be Roy Jones to fight like Roy Jones. Derrick Gainer is failing miserably in his effort to emulate his idol and friend. I suggest that Derrick Gainer find his own identity.

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bladerunner · Oct 9, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=95&more=1
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His best fight by far but the opponent wasn't much.

Concrete · Oct 9, 2009

bladerunner said: ↑

His best fight by far but the opponent wasn't much.
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But I thought he lost his balls after the Castillo fight.

There is also to much flip flopping. N'dou presented PBF with a fighter who was bigger and stronger then PBF and relentless. You state well the opponent wasn't much. But I thought you were mad at PBF because he didn't fight guys like N'dou.

Margario isn't much of a opponent when it comes to boxing skill like PBF. But Margarito is only considered a threat by PBF critics because he is bigger and stronger then PBF.

So which is it, he can't get credit for fighting tough guys like Castillo, Sosa, N'dou, Hatton, Gatti, Baldomir. He can't get credit for fighting skilled fighters like DLH, JMM, Judah.

Like I stated before I would like him to fight Mosley, but I don't agree that PBF cherrypicked or ducked anyone. Or that he didn't fight anyone after Castillo or none of that other nonsense.

At the age of 21 PBF was fighting guys like Genero Hernandes and Angel Manfredy who was Cotto before Cotto. Mosley wasn't even boxing at the age of 21, Cotto fought nobodys at 21, Pacman fought Phillipinos at 21, Margarito fought bums, Williams fought bums.

Concrete · Oct 9, 2009

Never mind Mosley was boxing at the age of 21 he was fighting guys with like 5 fights

bladerunner · Oct 9, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

But I thought he lost his balls after the Castillo fight.
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And he di! N'dou was a nobody ,also how was Ndou a fighter that started his career at featherweight bigger and stronger than fraud?

Pimp C · Oct 9, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

But I thought he lost his balls after the Castillo fight.

There is also to much flip flopping. N'dou presented PBF with a fighter who was bigger and stronger then PBF and relentless. You state well the opponent wasn't much. But I thought you were mad at PBF because he didn't fight guys like N'dou.

Margario isn't much of a opponent when it comes to boxing skill like PBF. But Margarito is only considered a threat by PBF critics because he is bigger and stronger then PBF.

So which is it, he can't get credit for fighting tough guys like Castillo, Sosa, N'dou, Hatton, Gatti, Baldomir. He can't get credit for fighting skilled fighters like DLH, JMM, Judah.

Like I stated before I would like him to fight Mosley, but I don't agree that PBF cherrypicked or ducked anyone. Or that he didn't fight anyone after Castillo or none of that other nonsense.

At the age of 21 PBF was fighting guys like Genero Hernandes and Angel Manfredy who was Cotto before Cotto. Mosley wasn't even boxing at the age of 21, Cotto fought nobodys at 21, Pacman fought Phillipinos at 21, Margarito fought bums, Williams fought bums.
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Great post!:good

calpnut · Oct 9, 2009

I just have to say one thing to all you mayweather haters....dah man has fought 40 times over 20 of those fights was title fights and he also has move up in weight to fight the best from lightweight all the way up to welterwieght. Most of his fights he was the smaller man so i think he has earn the right 2 pick and choose who he's going to fight. So If a fighter want to earn the big money they have to follow the road to his door step......bottom line and thats a FACT.

Norbix · Oct 9, 2009

Bazooka said: ↑

I laugh when I see Pimp C Eze Nallege and the rest of the Floyd boys sign in with their alts.....
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Wtf?

If you'd look at my post list you'd see I"m a legit newbie.

bandeedo · Oct 9, 2009

calpnut said: ↑

I just have to say one thing to all you mayweather heaters....tha man has fought 40 times over 20 of those fights was title fights and he also has move up in weight to fight the best from lightweight all the way up to welterwieght. most of his fights he was the smaller man so i think he has earn the right pick and choose who he's going to fight. So If a fighter want to earn the big money they have to follow the road to his door step......bottom line and thats a FACT.
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wrong. he has not always fought the best. he has his own reasoning why he considered them the best but all you have to do is listen to a couple of his interviews and you realize that floyd changes tunes with every change in wind direction. one day he will tell you the sky is blue and the next day he will tell you it is red and if you think its blue then you are a hater and racist. great boxer, very small man.

bladerunner · Oct 9, 2009

bandeedo said: ↑

wrong. he has not always fought the best. he has his own reasoning why he considered them the best but all you have to do is listen to a couple of his interviews and you realize that floyd changes tunes with every change in wind direction. one day he will tell you the sky is blue and the next day he will tell you it is red and if you think its blue then you are a hater and racist. great boxer, very small man.
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dealdeal:deal

d-mo · Oct 9, 2009

snipe200 said: ↑

Why did he rematch him then, immediately?? :huh Wouldn't he just have taken the "W" and ran.
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There is no place for logic here thank you.

Sunchild78 · Oct 9, 2009

I'm a little upset with how he feels about the matter, but he has every right to feel this way. If they would of fought when Shane was on top of the world, then it would of probably been a better fight. Shane was not trying to hear it then, because he had to much to loose. Mayweather was a threat, so Shane didn't want to fight him.
So now the tables are turned, and Shane needs him now. The only way I can see Floyd fighting him now. Is if Shane fought Pac before Mayweather, and beat him. That would put Shane at the top of the mountain, making him the best fight for Mayweather.

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