After reviewing events !!! Boxing in a nutshell !!!

My god someone someone sees sense!

Amen brother.

 

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I thought about posting a similarly lengthy thread last night regarding fans who I am sick of hearing say they witnessed a boxing clinic when they really just saw one fighter moving around and henpecking instead of setting up consistent, clean, hard punches. Then I just thought, "F*ck it."

Dirrell fought like an amateur for the majority of the rounds last night, and he lost because of it. Pro fights are not won, especially not in hometown settings, using hit, grab, and run amateur tactics.

A lot of you guys need to sit down and rewatch some fights like Hopkins - Trinidad, Whitaker - Chavez, Toney - Barkley and SRL - Duran II to see what effectively aggressive professional "boxing" tactics actually look like. Or the first six rounds of Freitas - Corrales, even though Popo eventually gassed out. Or just about any Winky Wright fight.

Malinaggi came very close and might have deserved the nod against Diaz, the travesty in that fight was the horrific 118-110 card. Against all my will I am going to make myself rewatch the last few rounds of that crapfest last night to see if I can possibly see a Dirrell cards win, but you guys have to understand that was not high quality tactical boxing he put on last night. He ran his ass off at points, and I don't use the word running lightly.

 

Home crowd advantage in every way. The way it translates to the judges is when the crowd get's loud from froch swinging combinations at air while dirrell is popshoting him and landing shots that actually are hitting his oppenent and slapping his head back. The fight wasn't close. Froch didn't do more than dirrell especially when you think say, LANDING CLEAN HEAD SNAPPING PUNCHES. Froch won with the superficial tactic of swingin at air to get the crowd loud to make the judges think he landed. Truth is that froch maybe had 3 or 4 rounds where he actually landed more that 5 punches. Dirrell was snapping that head back with shots that didn't need to be second guessed.

 

Dirrell was only snapping his head back in the 10th and 11th rounds. Froch snapped dirrell head back on numerous occassions when he wasnt being clinched.
The crowd last night was deadly silent compared to usual british fights.

 

Good thread, I feel what ur saying man. ****ed up decisions are ruining the sport.

Here's a great quote posted by zfc in the brit boxing forum in response to the nuthuggers who claim that Dirrel was "running"

Now how you gonna tell me that rounds should be awarded to a guy who hits the air, his opponents gloves or his opponents arms?

Why can't people see that the name of the game is to hit and not be hit? Fights should go to those who landed more, not thrown more.

The only exception to this rule should be this:

If fighter A lands more punches than fighter B, but only lands weak jabs whereas fighter B lands hard, crisp, more meaningful punches, then there is a case for awarding the fight to fighter B, even though he landed fewer. However, in this case, a lot of people on here seem to agree (even in the Brit forum) that Froch landed 2 or 3 meaningful punches the whole night. Therefore, the rule should not apply. He was helped by the judges.

 

Very good post Solid Chin.

For what it's worth i thought Froch would win but i had Dirrell winning by 3 points.

I agree with you on your will v skill points. It is a part of boxing judging that has annoyed me for a long time. It's all good and well being aggressive but if it isn't effective and you are just punching thin air then you shouldn't be rewarded for it.

For want of a better word i would say that judging boxing fights is becoming more Americanised. By this i mean that the sweet science is being sacrificed for entertainment. Most fans want to see two people standing in front of each other and trading punchers so this is seen as entertaining boxing to most viewers, so the finer aspects of the sport like slipping punchers, good, quick foot work, turning your opponent and basically making him look amatuerish and caveman like as he punchers thin air all night, are seen as less entertaining to a lot of viewers and therefore the 'aggressor' (whether it be effective or not) is rewarded. Now this may help promote more standing still and trading and be more entertaining for most fans but it is very unfair on the fans who like to see good skills and good defence and more importantly it is very unfair to the more skillful boxer's. Why should they be punished for playing to their strenths and fighting their style of fight and why should they be forced to have to stand still and trade more and fight a style that is unfamiliar and uncomfortable to them?

I also agree with you on your 'the challenger has to do more to take the title away from the champion' point.

This is a saying that has annoyed me for as long as i have been watching boxing. I have always felt, and i have heard many judges say the same thing, that when two people step into the ring, no matter who they are (even if one holds a belt and the other is therefore a challenger) both fighters start on an even playing field and both are judged to the exact same criteria. Therefore the challenger doesn't have to go above and beyond the call of duty to win any more than he would have to do if he was fighting in a non title fight.

 

Where are these punch-stats coming from?

There was no Compubox on Showtime.

 

All it means is that you should fight with the desire to be better than the champion. You should want to rip it away, not steal it.

 

Dirrell lost that fight last night last night, more than Froch "won" it. His inexperience at this level cost him his 0 and his 1st world title. I really hope that the decision not going his way, puts him off, ever travelling outside America again. He showed courage by fighting in the champs backyard last night. However, he will have grown and learned a great deal as a fighter from last night and if he gets a rematch with Froch down the road, then he'll win quite easily. He'll actually probably be embarrassed at some of the stunts he pulled last night, when he looks back on this fight. The win was there for the taking.

 

Yes, I could clearly see Gary Shaw IMPLORING Dirrell that he needed to do more work at the end of round 9 or 10. Shaw knew that Dirrell's early lead was being overtaken

 

Absolutely. He had the tools to win this fight, but not the heart. Without the heart you're not going to win many big fights however talented you are